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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Forced/automatic USE flag constraints (codename: ENFORCED_USE)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 21:02:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1496257344.25758.1.camel@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170531193922.477245bb@gentoo.org>

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On śro, 2017-05-31 at 19:39 +0200, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> > >  Again, you *need* to process the constraints in order. '!a?
> > > ( b ) !b? ( a )' is not deterministic when none of a and b are
> > > enabled otherwise.  
> > 
> > You can't rely on any particular order of constraints, especially when
> > eclass stacking comes into play. You could try defining some
> > constraint- sorting algorithm but it's going to be complex and it's
> > usefulness will be limited anyway due to various kinds of grouping.
> 
> 
> Better have some order: If half of the above constraint comes from
> ebuild and the other half comes from eclass, then PM might toggle 'a' or
> 'b' depending on the phase of the moon which is specifically what we're
> trying to avoid.

No, it can't. That's the whole point. The algorithm must be defined so
that it is always predictable independently of order (maybe except
the ordering inside ^^, ||, ??) and independently of how it's nested
(i.e. 'a? ( b? ( c ) )' must give the same result as 'b? ( a? ( c ) )').

If you start relying on stuff like ordering, you're one step from making
stuff suddenly fail or change meaning due to minor changes, like sorting
stuff.

> eclass stacking is not a problem: specify if it's append or prepend and
> be done.

What about multiple inherits with guards? Next thing I know, we end up
putting REQUIRED_USE outside guards (like we have to do with
EXPORT_FUNCTIONS now) because you need a specific order, and guards make
it unpredictable.

> Note that if you want to remove the need for an order, you'll need to
> ensure that all orderings of the constraints give the same result. It's
> not sufficient to "only" check all possible inputs.

That's the matter of the algorithm.

> Also, what happens if we applied all the constraints and obtained some
> useflags setting that still fails REQUIRED_USE check ?

It can't happen. If you can apply all the constraints, then implicitly
REQUIRED_USE is satisfied. If you can't apply all the constraints, then
it just fails. Of course, we want to ultimately avoid that case.

> > The point would be: by definition, the solver should be able to touch
> > *any* USE flag. If it can't, it mostly implies that you can't use
> > the automatic solver, and so the case is irrelevant for checking.
> > Attempting to go beyond that is going to give a lot of complexity
> > and most likely kill the whole idea.
> > 
> > One thing we need to worry about are masks. We need to think about
> > them.
> 
> It makes zero difference for any solver if you replace variables
> (useflags) by 'true' or 'false' constants (masked/forced/user-forced
> useflags). It's even simpler actually. Whether the formula is not
> constantly 'true' (ie REQUIRED_USE is useless) or constantly
> 'false' (ie there's no way to solve it) is equivalent to solving SAT.
> We likely don't want that for repoman running on php.
> 

Well, probably yes. We just need to make sure to apply them correctly
in different contexts, to avoid accidentally skipping some constraints.
I think it would be reasonably to assume that:

a. flags masked/forced on LHS of implications (foo?) are evaluated
in place, i.e. either always require RHS or remove it completely:

  foo? ( bar )    -> with foo forced, bar is always required
                  => we should also force bar

b. flags masked/forced inside ^^, ??, || alter the contents/meaning --
in particular they might replace the whole construct with a single flag
or make it unsolvable:

  ^^ ( foo bar baz ) -> with foo forced, [bar baz] are never allowed
                     => we should mask them

  || ( foo bar baz ) -> with foo forced, the constraint can be skipped

c. flags masked/forced otherwise can't be altered:

  foo? ( bar )    -> with bar forced, we can skip the constraint.
                  -> with bar masked, foo should be masked as well

Does that cover all the contexts?

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-31 19:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-29 15:33 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Forced/automatic USE flag constraints (codename: ENFORCED_USE) Michał Górny
2017-05-29 16:30 ` Kent Fredric
2017-05-29 16:44   ` Michał Górny
2017-05-29 18:00 ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-29 21:23   ` Michał Górny
2017-05-29 21:31     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-05-29 22:01     ` Ulrich Mueller
2017-05-29 22:05       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-05-30  7:47       ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-30  8:05         ` Ulrich Mueller
2017-05-30  8:10           ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-30  7:42     ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-30  8:22       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-05-30  8:46         ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-30  8:56           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-05-30  9:25             ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-30 12:00               ` Ulrich Mueller
2017-05-30 14:33                 ` Michał Górny
2017-05-30 15:33                   ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-30 18:11                     ` Michał Górny
2017-05-30 18:46                       ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-31  6:55                         ` Michał Górny
2017-05-31  7:24                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-05-31  7:34                             ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-31  7:35                             ` Michał Górny
2017-05-31  7:51                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-05-31  7:54                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-31  7:56                                   ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-31  7:32                           ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-31  8:03                             ` Michał Górny
2017-05-31  8:38                               ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-31 13:04                                 ` Michał Górny
2017-05-31 17:39                                   ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-31 19:02                                     ` Michał Górny [this message]
2017-05-31 22:52                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-01  8:55                                       ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-01 21:31                                         ` Michał Górny
2017-06-02  6:37                                           ` Michał Górny
2017-06-02 11:18                                             ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-02 13:49                                               ` Michał Górny
2017-06-02 11:27                                           ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-02 13:55                                             ` Michał Górny
2017-06-02 15:09                                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2017-06-03 11:00                                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexis Ballier
2017-06-03 15:33                                                 ` Michał Górny
2017-06-03 16:58                                                   ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-04  8:59                                                     ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-05  7:55                                                       ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-05 14:10                                                         ` Michał Górny
2017-06-05 17:24                                                           ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-05 18:10                                                             ` Michał Górny
2017-06-05 18:15                                                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-06 12:08                                                               ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-06 17:39                                                                 ` Michał Górny
2017-06-07  6:49                                                                   ` Michał Górny
2017-06-07  8:17                                                                   ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-07  9:27                                                                     ` Michał Górny
2017-06-07  9:56                                                                       ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-09  9:19                                                                         ` Michał Górny
2017-06-09 11:41                                                                           ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-09 12:54                                                                             ` Michał Górny
2017-06-09 14:16                                                                               ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-09 16:21                                                                                 ` Michał Górny
2017-06-11 16:05                                                                                   ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-12  9:08                                                                                     ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-12 19:17                                                                                       ` Michał Górny
2017-06-13 10:27                                                                                         ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-13 22:13                                                                                           ` Michał Górny
2017-06-14  9:06                                                                                             ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-14 12:24                                                                                               ` Michał Górny
2017-06-14 13:16                                                                                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-14 13:57                                                                                                   ` Michał Górny
2017-06-14 14:09                                                                                                     ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 15:59                                                                                                       ` Michał Górny
2017-06-15 16:07                                                                                                         ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 16:13                                                                                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-15 16:19                                                                                                             ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 16:22                                                                                                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-15 16:30                                                                                                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 16:32                                                                                                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-15 16:37                                                                                                                     ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 16:45                                                                                                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-15 16:55                                                                                                                         ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 17:04                                                                                                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-15 17:30                                                                                                                             ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 17:48                                                                                                                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-15 18:09                                                                                                                                 ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-15 17:38                                                                                                           ` Michał Górny
2017-06-15 18:05                                                                                                             ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-14 14:28                                                                                                     ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-02 12:16                                           ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-02 13:57                                             ` Michał Górny
2017-06-02 14:56                                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2017-06-02 15:19                                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-02 16:26                                                 ` Martin Vaeth
2017-06-02 18:31                                                   ` Martin Vaeth
2017-06-02  1:17                                         ` [gentoo-dev] " A. Wilcox
2017-06-02  1:28                                           ` Rich Freeman
2017-06-02  1:33                                             ` A. Wilcox
2017-06-02  5:08                                           ` Michał Górny
2017-05-31 12:38                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2017-05-30 21:13             ` [gentoo-dev] " Kent Fredric
2017-05-30  8:29       ` Michał Górny
2017-05-30  9:34         ` Alexis Ballier
2017-05-30 14:12           ` Michał Górny
2017-05-29 19:24 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-05-29 19:42   ` Michał Górny
2017-05-29 19:44     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-06-05  8:26 ` Alexis Ballier
2017-06-09 12:35 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2017-06-09 12:42   ` Michał Górny

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