From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12F60139694 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 179B721C29F; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C1521C26F for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11EBE341653; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1491859986.1661.19.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:33:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <20170410203822.2cbc440b@snowblower> <5950999.Gx5BNhHzAl@note> <1491857471.1661.16.camel@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-16ZV+3vhIkM9PTrj3Cfz" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 8839aa4a-40db-419f-85e7-f857d7ebe863 X-Archives-Hash: 948946574fea5feccba25e404d7f712b --=-16ZV+3vhIkM9PTrj3Cfz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On pon, 2017-04-10 at 17:18 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > > Python used not to use TARGETS. The results were random > > incompatibilities between packages that were hard to track and random > > breakage. Now we're past that. But I can understand it's not the > > Gentoo of your times where user was expected to watch his every step > > to have his system boot again. >=20 > This has nothing to do with booting. This BS broke my build server. > Many times over many years have I had to mess with Python targets. Now > with Ruby its double. It was mostly the headache as a system admin > having emerges not run due to unmet requirements etc. So, to summarize: you want to destroy a reasonably reliable dependency system in favor of thing that randomly explodes because you failed at hacking at it? Well, you've already dismissed the users for which it works out of the box... obviously they're not a proper Gentoo users if they don't break their system and then complain that Gentoo is doing everything wrong because they can break their systems. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-16ZV+3vhIkM9PTrj3Cfz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEXr8g+Zb7PCLMb8pAur8dX/jIEQoFAljr+hNfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDVF QkYyMEY5OTZGQjNDMjJDQzZGQ0E0MEJBQkYxRDVGRjhDODExMEEACgkQur8dX/jI EQqfKxAAuh5z2fcD17u2PNPdzkikNyibXGtYCpUQvo0TpnhVE8bEP8xza/mgQmWr vZ4poEa+QVjzzU0fjQyzWjYy6AZxfenNiYp6yOs5oPbDwAsXkEyc/ImWySDMdLY/ nG6zRaL9YYS+X5LX77oH8ALrqbu6U6ibQo0yZIjAtaHJDAJEJE4jD81zT8O99/Xt TGuExgjQ1yDdnTyRlRRV1NSABjCvqtQV/1erCulF7LuWKMxVdPOTt5N1h8zjbbmF pCp2MamZKfhruuABGmK0DT9KdQ5xWTmnNeNvIAmSt2EkOwHgZr9pwCmmh59irxN4 4FR5lfxB0Q7ggmzffvnMId5IrMXIlGZNUxboO8WMaHSjDL+jdw/UUAN6gvnEVw39 NAe7nJ9PdEJYXOAf5l6WDRJb8R22IZmhGsLkMtLJJriiXG3lQo+3awMNqR4Rd+RS imyJGPNw90MggG94yWe8f8v8CwN+MyUNpvomZD6AbI4D6/FZXU0mgfLHmCshp54W 6xuyrTjcuoVYXShRk7NC5ot4c6wApkJxy0kK0OceXGZfJjf5hHdvBnWOMmoxGkFc XogviA2Qz/wiy8qYugTaeORlQSii4VqcX5FUssut89iLxkea8Ha4xooNk4f3JewN ntOH8LsmScTuujH8s90OZ83s3WkEWE8PwY7PPfVHBBZZDJTE9Xg= =F3LL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-16ZV+3vhIkM9PTrj3Cfz--