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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2017 22:43:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1491856998.1661.14.camel@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <assp.0273c74a7d.20170410163318.310f7073@o-sinc.com>

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On pon, 2017-04-10 at 16:33 -0400, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:21:24 +0300
> Mart Raudsepp <leio@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > 
> > The user experience is suboptimal either way. Some ideas to improve
> > that seems to be e.g something like Kent brought up. But all this
> > requires manpower and so on to actually do; potentially also limiting
> > potential manpower to whom has or can get some deep graph theory
> > knowledge.
> 
> I hear you, but 3 other languages already do it another way. Java is
> easily as complex if not more complex. This problem was seen coming a
> long time ago with 1.4 -> 1.5. Any issues with Python/Ruby versions
> were and are still experienced with Java versions.
> 
> Java is more complex all around. If it can be done for Java, it can be
> done for the others. It is more a question of will than man power. Any
> argument that can be made for Python or Ruby. Applies to Java, Perl and
> PHP, with minor differences. Less with PHP and Ruby, as those install
> location is based on version. Java is the only that does not install
> based on version.

The difference is in quality expectations. We did Python this way to
make sure things will work, and all obvious breakage will immediately be
caught. Your alternative does not provide for that.

> 
> Anything in Gentoo that goes against the status quo gets heavy
> resistance and thus Gentoo does not change. But continues on with the
> status quo....
> 

You are talking *nonsense*. The python-r1 was *against* status quo. We
changed it. Now you want the old status quo back.


-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-04-10 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-09 16:15 [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-09 21:36 ` Francesco Riosa
2017-04-09 22:20   ` Brian Dolbec
2017-04-09 22:48     ` Francesco Riosa
2017-04-09 23:15     ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-09 23:59       ` Michael Orlitzky
2017-04-10  0:37         ` Francesco Riosa
2017-04-10  0:58         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 14:57           ` Michael Orlitzky
2017-04-10 15:49             ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-09 21:44 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2017-04-09 22:28   ` Francesco Riosa
2017-04-09 23:08   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-09 21:52 ` Michael Orlitzky
2017-04-09 22:34   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-09 22:42   ` Francesco Riosa
2017-04-09 23:04 ` James Le Cuirot
2017-04-10  5:33   ` Hans de Graaff
2017-04-10  1:38 ` Kent Fredric
2017-04-10  2:04   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10  4:35     ` Kent Fredric
2017-04-10 15:52       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 21:30         ` Kent Fredric
2017-04-10 17:58     ` Christopher Head
2017-04-10 18:12       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:11         ` Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
2017-04-20 17:49         ` Christopher Head
2017-04-20 18:23           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-21 12:53           ` Kent Fredric
2017-04-10 19:40       ` Alan McKinnon
2017-04-10  6:37 ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 13:21   ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2017-04-10 17:50     ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 16:03   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 17:14     ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 17:49       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 18:10         ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 18:44           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 18:57             ` Mart Raudsepp
2017-04-10 19:38               ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 19:51                 ` Mart Raudsepp
2017-04-10 20:01                   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:17                     ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:32                       ` Mart Raudsepp
2017-04-10 20:21                     ` Mart Raudsepp
2017-04-10 20:33                       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:43                         ` Michał Górny [this message]
2017-04-10 21:33                           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 21:44                             ` Mart Raudsepp
2017-04-10 22:51                               ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 21:56                             ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 22:42                               ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 22:09                     ` Kent Fredric
2017-04-10 22:35                       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 22:56                         ` Kent Fredric
2017-04-10 23:04                           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 19:31             ` Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
2017-04-10 19:38               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2017-04-10 19:57                 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:29                   ` Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
2017-04-10 20:40                     ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:48                       ` Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
2017-04-10 21:27                         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:51                       ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 21:18                         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 21:33                           ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 21:58                             ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-11  4:48                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2017-04-11 17:47                                 ` James Potts
2017-04-11 21:02                                   ` Michał Górny
2017-04-10 21:17                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov
2017-04-10 21:25                         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 22:22                     ` Kent Fredric
2017-04-10 19:49               ` [gentoo-dev] No Java Team, Java neglect was -> " William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:04                 ` Rich Freeman
2017-04-10 20:15                   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 20:58                     ` Rich Freeman
2017-04-10 21:21                       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-10 21:31                         ` Rich Freeman
2017-04-10 21:54                           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-11  9:18                             ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2017-04-11 15:22                               ` [gentoo-dev] OT Getting to know others in Gentoo was -> " William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-11 15:57                                 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2017-04-11 22:23                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Viktar Patotski
2017-04-12  7:25                                 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2017-04-10 21:48     ` [gentoo-dev] " Kent Fredric
2017-04-10 20:26 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2017-04-25  9:16 ` Sergey Popov

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