From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 644F9139694 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A63D21C182; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D88F21C132 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pomiot (d202-252.icpnet.pl [109.173.202.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mgorny) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5BC85340AC7; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 16:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1490288005.1534.1.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [PATCH] sys-devel/autoconf: Convert from eblits into an eclass, #586424 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:53:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20170323105101.0f622f66@gentoo.org> References: <20170316093806.31977-1-mgorny@gentoo.org> <20170320083544.GZ24205@vapier> <2240597.YoP4Ev77Vx@porto> <1652433.oqbzW57v8l@porto> <20170323105101.0f622f66@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-8Ew1Kev9xvRLlDSEC1TW" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.22.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 7c43bb71-f5df-442f-83a9-0a40bbb107d7 X-Archives-Hash: 9928071c92c5a015964b2254b298e988 --=-8Ew1Kev9xvRLlDSEC1TW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On czw, 2017-03-23 at 10:51 +0100, Alexis Ballier wrote: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 10:41:39 +0100 > "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: >=20 > > Am Dienstag, 21. M=C3=A4rz 2017, 11:24:39 CET schrieb Andreas K. Huette= l: > > >=20 > > > So what's so special about your packages that you *need* a hack as > > > ugly as eblits? > > > =20 > >=20 > > No response. Seems like there are no real arguments for eblits. > >=20 >=20 > I guess the argument is not for or against eblit but rather about "when > you want to change something you don't maintain, you have to justify it > properly" Do you think really think it's fine for maintainer to: 1. go against best practices, principle of least surprise and basically make it harder for anyone else to touch the ebuild (-> aim for bus factor of 1 and/or making himself indispensable)? 2. enforce package managers to exhibit non-PMS behavior by making core system packages rely on it? Not to mention minor incompatibilities causing silent breakage. Do you really believe *we* ought to be explaining ourselves? All those reasons have been provided. If Mike does not accept them, we can't do anything about it. You can claim we ought to explain till the maintainer is convinced but I think we both know that nobody's going to convince anyone, and the only result would be stalling the change for even more than the 9 months so far. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-8Ew1Kev9xvRLlDSEC1TW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAABCgB9FiEEXr8g+Zb7PCLMb8pAur8dX/jIEQoFAljT/YZfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDVF QkYyMEY5OTZGQjNDMjJDQzZGQ0E0MEJBQkYxRDVGRjhDODExMEEACgkQur8dX/jI EQoMMw/+PBOWW/Ua5aS9rXHr2wZE9rf+PmyE0gRiY/QdtuE43IfH8lhXzatcZ5U1 VS3BP7G2692Ho2AhAV/F3ZslfmaFa40zj7fFk0KHC1WrmyZBDZCLxHO8tHUQm4qU NfJXA/z3ZR4etj3FNNeZKuflbh2b+GaGgj1Dwei0YaEeYpAfn1E6nOO35dF1jR5E dlGHVg7ai0M/ZD1G3vgrjpMkH1iWgNkZBCV9cXW8TpBGRGiExD/ipATNV0ECDA0f SL/xqq+ZMM7fwQhEVuq9dOS+nBIO6UZ4SEpYtWfxANONC+xH31qww8fllkp+qkZC oUQEPYjlw3wAkZVNbBp4rmznn+PvisF2SG2UKM42nKXO8BvAfgQMGkZmn29USbYa y66XKRs/AaIrPkvR7lTlUD9vr2XIo/5v9tdGtxKFV0+20cWcFhVNL1+CcySU3pQu ubTvTkyGuJu28jWiPMIfatihrE0tr+V3KHl3QHIsSwoWg/8k9Uf5HjedvxxBsizX v/AfHZvoQLNyCSHaX3Qrmb7fZLZ0NehwC+Drz458b1NlaP0DkN7tVPcl0+UrTJIy HRl77g1miZIYnJqrXe8xLL6yjdkRGPU8OhzcRi8dZyy0FRxCExU3TgcHOueYTa2b o+cncMVS9imSqxoK6so+zwaYZ51gpGQx7b9KLS1Jbv296l7i8xA= =/miN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-8Ew1Kev9xvRLlDSEC1TW--