From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB37613832E for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB12621C190; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4DBE21C03C for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.10] (85.253.86.24.cable.starman.ee [85.253.86.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: leio) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 189AF340948 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1470964747.5563.43.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] libpcre.so.3 - Compatibility with Debian From: Mart Raudsepp To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 04:19:07 +0300 In-Reply-To: References: <20160811001053.5b98e44a@symphony.aura-online.co.uk> <22444.18637.297626.134016@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20160811111141.16bdfcd5@red.yakaraplc.local> <22444.22978.952581.582549@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <1470927479.5563.16.camel@gentoo.org> <4b09dfc4-b6ca-fb1b-adc3-e9c9da766a10@gentoo.org> <20160811205620.6b782217@symphony.aura-online.co.uk> <20160812093435.59ad476b@katipo2.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.3 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: b483a258-5b8b-4220-94c1-e108cace2ee3 X-Archives-Hash: 33f6aa4d50517d2df55ab060cb4fa2dd Ühel kenal päeval, N, 11.08.2016 kell 18:00, kirjutas Mike Gilbert: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Kent Fredric > wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 16:07:27 -0400 > > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > > > but realistically this should be > > > installed to /usr/$(get_libdir)/debiancompat/ or similar, and if > > > you > > > still don't want to wrap the apps that need it then also install > > > an > > > /etc/env.d/ file to add this dir to the LDPATH. > > > > +1 to this. I was going to suggest something similar. > > > > At least, because I'm still thinking in a view other than "steam", > > and > > anticipating "Maybe we're going to do more of this" > > > > If more than one binary application need more than one debian hack, > > stuffing all the debian hacks in a special prefix that everyone can > > use > > without polluting the main gentoo stuff is an advantage. > > > > ( And the separate dir makes it clear what the library is for and > > why > > its there if anyone is trying to weed out some library problem that > > still manages to happen despite our attempts ) > > I also like the private libdir better than installing a symlink in a > "standard" libdir. The question is really why, still. I only see some sort of tidyness arguments, but it's not exactly tidy to clobber ld.so.conf either, so I don't consider this a real argument. If you install a proprietary package from their .tar.bz2 or Loki .sh installer or whatever, the user will not know to install some libpcre- debian package. Also, again, PCRE2 is there. Soon dev-libs/libpcre:3 (libpcre-8.*) is primarily a binary package satisfier anyways, so why not just satisfy libpcre.so.3 while at it. Funny fact - we have it in SLOT=3 too :) Ultimately I don't care personally as a gentoo user, as I will know to install this useless symlink package. Maybe, if I remember. And only because of a 10+ thread. But our users are uselessly bothered when they actually need it by something. They ought to be able to choose to not care, and have shit working out of the box. This is providing a very important choice, in the spirit of Gentoo. Mart