From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF93F1381F3 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7836B21C037; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB1321C004 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:36:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.136] (helo=smtp5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6WJ-0008H8-1m for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:36:27 +0100 Received: from 54698b76.cm-12-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([84.105.139.118] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tm6WI-00023K-Pk for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:36:27 +0100 Received: from eve.localnet (eve.adm.antarean.org [10.55.16.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BC1D124C for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:36:21 +0100 (CET) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo development Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:36:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1417920.LHZgoe019u@eve> User-Agent: KMail/4.9.3 (Linux/3.3.8-gentoo; KDE/4.9.3; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20121221162102.GA7261@linux1> References: <20121215203359.4552d807@pomiocik.lan> <1635723.VeYid7ZcB5@eve> <20121221162102.GA7261@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: -0.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: BAYES_00=-1.9,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: 3eebd84f-3d04-424f-8713-3bcc9514b6d6 X-Archives-Hash: 28ceecfc012feb4eae79d747d7cf4d9f On Friday, December 21, 2012 10:21:02 AM William Hubbs wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 04:04:31PM +0100, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On Friday, December 21, 2012 09:38:36 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > > > > On 21/12/12 03:10 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > > >> An init* needs to be kept in sync with the rest of the system as > > > >> well. > > > > > > > > Just to be clear, by "init*" you mean {initrd,initramfs} , correct? > > > > > > Seems likely. > > > > > > However, for the most part it really only needs to be kept in sync > > > with the kernel. Smarter ones like dracut that might do things like > > > keep a copy of mdadm.conf internally might need to be updated when > > > your disks change, and so on. In general, however, they only need > > > changes when either your kernel changes, or the path to the root > > > filesystem changes (by path I mean mdadm/lvm/nfs/etc). > > > > And with the "move to /usr", also when that changes. > > Granted, on most systems it won't actually move often once it's installed. > > Can you be more specific here? I do not understand what you mean. The "path to /usr" won't change very often. > On the subject of generating an initramfs, you can build one if you > want, or there are tools in our tree that can build one for you. You > would use genkernel after a more current version is stabilized [1] or > dracut. This is covered in the initramfs guide [2]. As stated, I already tried genkernel and the current stable version actually does render a bootable version. However, it is, in my opinion, a workaround for a problem that has been forced upon me. As soon as eudev is stable enough, I will dump udev. > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/441004 Strange, I use a current-stable version of genkernel, /usr is on LVM and the system boots correctly without issues. -- Joost