[gentoo-dev] remove USE flag "ldap" from profile "desktop"

[gentoo-dev] remove USE flag "ldap" from profile "desktop"

[Toralf Förster]

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IMO it is the choice of users to opt in for LDAP, not to opt out for it.
I'm convinced that the majority of Gentoo users does not need it per default.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] remove USE flag "ldap" from profile "desktop"

[Tom Wijsman]

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:46:58 +0100
Toralf Förster <toralf.foerster@gmx.de> wrote:

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> IMO it is the choice of users to opt in for LDAP, not to opt out for
> it. I'm convinced that the majority of Gentoo users does not need it
> per default.

Before we discuss this again; looking for the source, I found this:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.gentoo.dev/yIfM8sV2zFQ

It is discussed in your favor; however, it seems to be forgotten to do.

Is anyone going to pick this up on their fork to send out a news item
and change it; or, has there been disagreement? If so, Council item?

(PS: This is about gentoo-x86/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] remove USE flag "ldap" from profile "desktop"

[Mart Raudsepp]

On L, 2014-03-22 at 12:50 +0100, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 09:46:58 +0100
> Toralf Förster <toralf.foerster@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
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> > IMO it is the choice of users to opt in for LDAP, not to opt out for
> > it. I'm convinced that the majority of Gentoo users does not need it
> > per default.
> 
> Before we discuss this again; looking for the source, I found this:
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/linux.gentoo.dev/yIfM8sV2zFQ
> 
> It is discussed in your favor; however, it seems to be forgotten to do.

In that thread some of the takeaway points seem to have been (with my
comments):

* It would be better to do such changes alongside profile updates; alas
13.0 went by without this change being remembered

* It might be a good idea to show USE flags on packages and their
changes from before in case of reinstalls/upgrades by default, not only
with emerge --verbose  (but claimed to be the case already)

> Is anyone going to pick this up on their fork to send out a news item
> and change it; or, has there been disagreement? If so, Council item?
> 
> (PS: This is about gentoo-x86/profiles/targets/desktop/make.defaults)

To add something -

I suspect this default might be related to ancient times when there were
no per-package USE defaults, and in times when there were no gnome
subprofiles, with sabayon (the old graphical tool to manage GNOME
desktop profiles, not the distribution) requiring it to be enabled, and
sabayon probably having been in the gnome meta-package.

That, or when thin clients were the next best thing after sliced bread.

Either way, that doesn't invalidate any news item considerations, etc.
Too bad we probably can't do a news item for users of only desktop
profiles or their subprofiles, and only when they haven't tweaked the
ldap USE flag themselves in make.conf to explicitly go either way. Or
can we?