From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96ED6138BF3 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7441DE0B28; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C5E3E0A96 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.11.20] (cpe-72-177-217-176.satx.res.rr.com [72.177.217.176]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: steev) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9486033F7C0 for ; Mon, 17 Feb 2014 01:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1392601749.28884.5.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> Subject: Re: Assigning keyword/stable bugs to arch teams (WAS: [gentoo-dev] dropping redundant stable keywords) From: Steev Klimaszewski To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 19:49:09 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: <20140128182304.7d458a17@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140203062524.GA7467@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <20140203104341.2add2760@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20140204210319.GA1935@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <20140205010833.1bcf8dca@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20140213212818.GA2199@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <20140214195958.5aea85f0@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20140215012855.417f1caa@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20140215114157.6abe3da5@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20140215225322.GB1593@laptop.home> <20140216003703.6ceb9116@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <1392540063.18051.95.camel@belkin5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.10.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 1d7eb883-86b9-435f-9578-8162d9963a0d X-Archives-Hash: cf5690bed878de1c98d5a545f020659f On Sun, 2014-02-16 at 09:03 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Also, keeping the bugs assigned to package maintainers will still allow > > them to try to get that pending bugs fixed (or resolved in some way) as > > they will take care more about that specific package status. If we get > > that bugs assigned to arch teams, they will likely be ignored by both > > parts, getting worse. > > Well, that depends on your perspective. If they fix them by deleting > the old version, then whether they've made things better or worse is a > matter of philosophy. > > That's basically the counter-argument to removing old versions. If > the newer version doesn't work at all, then the old buggy version is > superior. It is better to have the bugs ignored, than to pester the > maintainer until the package is disabled entirely. > > Honestly, this whole conversation seems rather theoretical. What I > haven't heard from is the minor arch leads. Actually, looking at the > base project page, it seems like half of them don't even have leads. > Minor arch co-lead checking in. I haven't chimed in as I'm still pretty agitated with the PREVIOUS thread about this exact same topic. And by agitated, I mean I'm tired of it. If you guys wanna break the tree for us minor arches, go for it. It's obvious from the thread that people care not about making Gentoo the best distro that it can be, and entirely care about how pretty the graphs are, and how short their bug lists are. I'm tired of "fighting" about this. My position was made known, some agreed, some disagreed, but reiterating it over and over does nothing, and no new information is brought in by it. If you want to re-read it, feel free to read through the previous thread. > The other issue is that at least some devs have been stabilizing new > packages on minor archs for which the council decided to drop stable > keywords. How to handle that is on the next agenda as well. > > Basically all of this boils down to whether it is a good compromise to > redefine "stable" to something different on minor archs so that they > can make some use of the keyword, and do it without driving > maintainers nuts. I don't have a big problem with that, as long as it > is done in a way that doesn't place any burden on anybody who doesn't > use the minor arch (including bug wranglers, maintainers, etc). > > Rich >