From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RFuHw-00038v-3P for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:00:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B006021C13E; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.167]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4F021C137 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.151] (helo=smtp19.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq4.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFuH4-0001aj-KL for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:59:06 +0200 Received: from 5ed027a1.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([94.208.39.161] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp19.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFuH3-00087q-Oy for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:59:05 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBDE14B3 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:59:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MDrexsi3hzJy for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:59:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF3C6B47 for ; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:59:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:59:02 +0200 Message-ID: <1383405.X2oY6bobqg@eve> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.1 (Linux/2.6.36-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.7.1; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4E9B319F.9020308@gentoo.org> References: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> <4E9B319F.9020308@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1RFuH3-00087q-Oy X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-0.615, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, KHOP_DYNAMIC 0.73, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.50, TW_XR 0.08) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 0d35a9d19b52636339f97c547a199d1f On Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:33:51 PM Zac Medico wrote: > On 10/16/2011 06:07 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: > >> I don't think it's a good idea for Gentoo to encourage users to have > >> /usr on a separate partition. We should probably remove the separate > >> /usr partition from "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem usage example" in > >> our > >> handbook: > >> > >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=4#d > >> oc_chap2_pre1> > > Well, if we want to do that then we should also update: > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml > > > > Of course - that is an initramfs-less configuration, and such a thing > > would be nearly impossible to do with /usr on root unless you > > basically don't put anything of value on the LVM volumes in the first > > place. You could put everything but /boot on LVM and then use an > > initramfs. Or, you need to cover mounting /usr, /var, etc from the > > initramfs. > > > > And I don't think it is a good idea to NOT have a supported RAID/LVM > > configuration. That is hardly an edge case... > > If those LVM volumes require userspace tools to mount, then I think it's > perfectly reasonable to expect them to use either an initramfs or a > simple linuxrc approach [1] to ensure that /usr is mounted before init > starts. > > [1] > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_20749880f5bc5feda141488498729fe8.x > ml If this approach works, would it be an option to add this to the LVM [1] and RAID+LVM [2] pages? [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml [2] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml -- Joost