From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463A01381F3 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 06:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A351E0C10; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 06:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BD83E0C0B for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 06:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.34] (130.Red-2-137-19.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [2.137.19.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0834A33EB91 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 2013 06:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1376029464.7236.6.camel@localhost> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:24:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <52043733.9000402@gentoo.org> References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <52037513.1090004@gentoo.org> <52040220.6030302@gentoo.org> <1375996001.1561.9.camel@localhost> <52043733.9000402@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: f130f996-ceab-4189-83ba-986cc40abf9b X-Archives-Hash: a8e9f41b66df33d86921229347cf725a El vie, 09-08-2013 a las 02:26 +0200, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn escribió: > Pacho Ramos schrieb: > > - openBSD is simply supplying the "semibroken" Gnome stuff running with > > their setup (without multiseat working, neither power management, gdm > > service handling, and any new issues that could rise from logind not > > being running) > > If OpenBSD can do it, then Gentoo can do it, too. So would you accept ebuild > patches that make it possible to install Gnome 3.8 without systemd again? > Only make it possible, not turn it into a configuration which the Gnome team > supports. > > > Best regards, > Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn > We have discussed this some times in the team, the problem is that we don't think we should provide "by default" a setup that is not working properly: powermanagement, multiseat support and gdm service handling are the more noticeable problems and the known ones... but there could be more problems (for example, I remember to have lots of dbus rejection messages from gnome-session and gnome-shell that I never was able to know what was causing). Also, if that people reports problems, we would close them as WONTFIX -> migrate to systemd (and expect them to not try to lie us and causes us to break our heads thinking about what could be causing their strange problem) Anyway, you can still run it in the "openBSD" way: - You can ignore the warnings, news and suggestions and, even moving from udev to systemd ebuild, keep booting with openRC and using systemd as device manager - You can put systemd in package.provides to even keep running udev But we (gnome team) cannot support that setups and, then, we prefer to point people to run the supported one (with systemd running), keeping the other "alternatives" for people that will be able to live with a semi broken desktop and don't expect us to fix their bugs and fight to upstream because XX thing doesn't work out of systemd.