From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979E01381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CC94E0B06; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5321E0AE7 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (180.Red-2-137-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [2.137.23.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77A4833EB97 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1375977394.6512.7.camel@localhost> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 17:56:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5203BC0A.4030205@gentoo.org> References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <1375881254.7753.41.camel@rook> <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> <5203B660.30807@gmail.com> <5203BC0A.4030205@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: e996ea85-f97c-4b65-b147-3804fe22decb X-Archives-Hash: 707c8487e67945f1503871cc619196de El jue, 08-08-2013 a las 11:40 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: [...] > That makes a lot of sense, and on that basis keeping gnome-3.8+ in > ~arch is probably not warranted. HOWEVER, part of keeping things > stable is also a stable upgrade path, and -at least at this point- it > is -not- trivial to go from gnome-2/openrc to gnome-3.8/systemd > without a fair bit of work on the part of the end-user. > > Before anything does go stable, I implore our gnome devs to provide > cut-and-paste level instructions to do the upgrade, or provide a tool > to help significantly (if not fully) automate the process. Our stable > users should be able to emerge -uDN without spending massive amounts > of time and who-knows-how-many reboots to resolve the blockages. > We are working on it, I am spending *a lot of effort* on making transition smoother, oh please, I am also trying to help systemd team with my limited knowledge about systemd to try to improve situation. There will be an upgrade guide (as has been the case for *all* gnome releases), we are working on improving gnome profile defaults and many more. Please stop making all lose our time discussing this forever here, we are not going to stabilize Gnome 3.8 without providing that "cut and paste level instructions"