From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC761381F3 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADEEBE0BB0; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7E53E0BA7 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.43.8] (unknown [90.173.190.125]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9564333EAE7 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1375888590.1870.6.camel@localhost> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2013 17:16:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: d6425417-35a4-4c8f-93af-70093abd1d49 X-Archives-Hash: 418c469a4cf7fe472952d3af5aa3aa65 El mié, 07-08-2013 a las 14:45 +0200, Michael Weber escribió: > Greetings, > > Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires > systemd. > > What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this > restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this > eye-candy as well. > > I raise the freedom of choice card here. And deliberately choosing an > uncooperative version doesn't shine a good light. > > Facts, pls! > > Michael > > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478252 Gnome 3.6 is not maintained by upstream now -> bugs are being fixed in 3.8 and 3.9. Also, stabilizing 3.6 will point Gnome2 users to this two options: - Run gnome-shell - Run 3.6 fallback mode -> 3.6 fallback mode is using old gnome-panel stuff that was dropped in 3.8 because it wasn't really maintained They will also be able to run 3.6 with openrc... but that will be the last version "working" with it, we will hit the same problem again when we want to stabilize 3.8 (well, 3.10 is going to be released in October, I think we have been waiting enough) Also, I think we should stop spending a lot of time trying to keep it working with openrc, we simply don't have resources to do that at the moment (even Debian/Ubuntu people are stick with systemd-204 because they don't have resources to keep logind working without systemd in newer versions). Now, we are needing to put a lot of effort on trying to provide unit files and provide systemd related fixes in the tree because we haven't (in general) pay attention to systemd at all => I think we should put more efforts on it than trying to work on hacks to prevent systemd dependency.