From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449521381F3 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71BD2E0A44; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.3]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9593DE09FE for ; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon_SSD) by smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1V1iCx-000Cqd-M1 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:25:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 20:24:59 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council constituent meeting 30 July 2013 at 19:00 UTC To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <201307211630.22711.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <1374438041.2783.2@ NeddySeagoon_SSD> In-Reply-To: (from rich0@gentoo.org on Mon Jul 22 22:51:31 2013) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.13 Message-Id: <1374607515.2858.1@NeddySeagoon_SSD> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Xnzt+NUPYmaPlLZm/d/Y" X-Originating-smarthost01b-IP: [62.3.120.142] X-Archives-Salt: 78d18e7b-9881-452f-9425-6987f04d9642 X-Archives-Hash: e324f2f96d6c6d64e444b9d864e4f00d --=-Xnzt+NUPYmaPlLZm/d/Y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2013.07.22 22:51, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Roy Bamford=20 > [snip] > > > > Please keep voting in public. Its good for accountability. > > If not in IRC, find a way to publish who voted and now. > > Council do not get a secret ballot. >=20 > Agreed. I don't think the intent of that item was ever to REPLACE > in-person voting with email. I think the intent was to allow for it > so that when a critical issue comes up a week after the agenda is > already set that everybody doesn't have to wait 5 weeks for the > following council meeting. It seems really odd to have a 100-post > flamewar with no immediate action, and then to dredge up the topic a > month later and vote, and then have another 100-post flameware to=20 > talk > about the outcome. I don't think we need off-the-cuff decisions, but > if a topic is ripe for a decision we should have a way to actually > take care of it. >=20 > Public debate and votes only make sense. Bugs might be a useful way > to record this (much as is done with the trustees). >=20 > Rich >=20 Rich, I'm fine with voting via email when its needed, or even all the time as=20 long as the votes are published. You have addressed my concern.=20 --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods trustees = --=-Xnzt+NUPYmaPlLZm/d/Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJR7tibAAoJEFZf0zWq3OcJuJkP/RIkRt82Sho9LS8Q9Ca0t0pb n3RjZVDdFdRpmBBKfDHlIlm8ym98mOQYKn9SIxC0jcr7Wln72mQ0uuEd9eDtHNWk aGB34K3nFKdrqNocsCJYjNyX9YwhL5la2VJzUW7NEANtjUz4HsIcbRSzH1Pe0Rsh MiHBQa+5RY0y5dGFpMivPvQ5YYeFQiei4V33FXIGBO1+ELXBHWmWd4xDMmlLWIiO rKzwPsG2Ca65153oOLRT5IjRN3+1f0sZk6j0TtyWslEANpjtUTb8VTlQ7KmdAQcy UVLHrdPjtcuOZaeyDyKy4NUhhXCzZyO0oHba0EL/tfzwDSmSnISRyDNnssC2PQmC Kp0EkJDpreT3fRu+Cw5PqOEG5PSOG2hqX9f2OP++riOoo9k81hzyI+YZHd474LiQ MKdDbeO8hpzPJZ9XddrAeHkUynKEgd278IFY7c2D0GoeTSt/hoIBUScQWo7xeZGL uBIpGP72jR5RdmgxIrwIRW7ZTZPh4sSjGdPhsGvMpkYJvV+uedhmDzMno70TJ4iE D83DPImpNbk0/Mr4UaTKBnuivdVO79Jf1iKR2rDD9jeDum0xmzNyc2H8vxtfwUmx NwuNMEL6Uc8YBQyflffQsa0gjoQcpxM8439NBPnDdacIY7Br+4q8FTlPXg/es1PV LkOjMvaMUEtM5je+FNLL =FtYQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Xnzt+NUPYmaPlLZm/d/Y--