From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6705C1381F3 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C829E09BE; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm3-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F735E09B5 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.226.179] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2013 07:51:23 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.168] by tm14.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2013 07:51:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2013 07:51:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 238299.23286.bm@omp1069.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 49906 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2013 07:51:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1372233081; bh=bbThKy/hrl9AYK3JPd0/MXhbDA7k/gFqmrFlVcyE3kQ=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JUuceQvrZNo4/ZQ8+7IfflrXnIts0pMNjjgxEKtF5ChCGoVtGiX/3Wx0t0Iif39yfGUDwcUm8J+r2kNseYxriKE7Zw9hzG3S8K8CeexZWpHplIniBC4GyO0B8WLDsEL+VEi/0O4johK4NA2yRGmVgoNdQbFqLxmxJyS8r72uvGE= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OnHb64p8sSUDfB4ecImW6xIPBekbYKtYtUOwXY8qU7Kq7HJkvwANq6VpayGYq7G4g02ZzVNkZVCcjriC6AqcGpxeDzhI3R1pev17gKvJLjl9+LTm1Ay0TFQN+6C4HxX0/aZYQRQgxqCIy/RNoE7NO46pqVZItqE3ruLQLlTHIyI=; X-YMail-OSG: IDQ9nYwVM1mpCBU5FWkqmVueWdY5rCjNVDtvLFjS8vXDgS8 k9kcWYdf.ITczq.erxz9CEKr9YH5j7Tx_xRLVADsFZpIMwz_53D9s3lS6DoU SGeb4sC8Q3iYfkRE5ISijoARk4ZZkaLIb6XJxxuj9Vw7sxsZQ5PYOsoFMUAr PNhMx1Qam5UdIemdLex7AN38lJZooj.8QNA_OigEJWWbFFnH1X11tTTp_oD9 jmdt4XRts73vtr_bW8e216o6yGgCFLajrDlA_dT8ej0ZAFdk6JnidYFpoAf5 M.3awE7I_2Cqu8qnoqbkbtzWnw6BgaJWJNI9Q3i.Vfk5bFY5lvouYvZAVQ69 CHSUOpjHjtZrYcYLblZlBoRlyqT3YLOJmA5CKwTr77Yxiy23S70y8Jb5HqIp C5BELeNPaL4PsFMIdqFRsw_D6cGHXwAwzq8wJw2gNb9aTD7F5Hk_HnkXQNXU aliY52DrG0XICAkNmTLmUuxTxad0cVMFMWsaJB6jjjv0iIC32K1PhHVkSjAL 1GC6e0UY4xh0gm3cEh3fYabtCZYHO97ZWSP65JwSsBw-- Received: from [117.194.124.173] by web120801.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:51:21 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,CgotLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tCj4gRnJvbTogTWljaGFlbCBQYWxpbWFrYSA8a2Vuc2luZ3RvbkBnZW50b28ub3JnPgo.IAo.IE9uIDI2LzA2LzIwMTMgMDE6MDksIEVnZyBQbGFudCB3cm90ZToKPj4gIEFjY29yZGluZyB0byBQYXZsb3MgUmF0aXMgcHJvcG9zYWwsIGl0IHdpbGwgYmUgYW5vdGhlciBjaGFubmVsIG9mIAo.IGNvbW11bmljYXRpb24uIEkgYW0gbm90IHByb3Rlc3RpbmcgdG8gc2V0dXAgYW4gdW5vZmZpY2lhbCBjaGFubmVsIHRoZXJlLgo.PiAKPj4gIEkgYW0gZmVhcmluZyABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.554 References: <1372164171.99503.YahooMailNeo@web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1372172964.1496.YahooMailNeo@web120804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1372233081.28101.YahooMailNeo@web120801.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 00:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Egg Plant Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts To: "gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org" In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 567221c1-2b1d-4ccb-ab42-5aae0d3f4fe2 X-Archives-Hash: b6ae17c09bc9289984cd45ddcca298ad =0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A> From: Michael Palimaka =0A> =0A> On 26/06/2013 01:09, Egg Plant wrote:=0A>> According t= o Pavlos Ratis proposal, it will be another channel of =0A> communication. = I am not protesting to setup an unofficial channel there.=0A>> =0A>> I am = fearing that it will gradually become an avenue for talent show, =0A> simil= ar to other binary distros. That is why I am against to make it official = =0A> channel.=0A> What makes it official or not? Does it make any practical= difference?=0A> =0A=0AYes. I think it will make our life better if any dev= eloper discuss or at least notify in the proper mailing list or IRC channel= (as of now more accessible by majority of users & developers) before commi= tting any horrible idea. Again I would remind you, I am not against any cha= nge that will improve our life.=0A=0AE.g., one can install Gentoo from bina= ry packages, one can run Gentoo with Systemd instead of OpenRC, there are l= ots of other possibilities with Gentoo. But a newcommer is directed to read= a "handbook" which will guide him/her using source packages & OpenRC. This= is what I call official recommendation.=0A=0A=0A>> Video is more attracti= ve than Text or still photo.=0A>> =0A>> Several developers, who can afford= the resources, will gradually shift =0A> their communication to that chann= el. It's somewhat cyclic dependency or =0A> chain reaction. It will just in= crease our workload (of gentoo development =0A> awareness). More fragmentat= ion & distraction as well as other technical =0A> problems mentioned by oth= ers & me.=0A> Perhaps some will. Does that matter? There is already plenty = of =0A> "fragmentation" - we have over 70 IRC channels and 60 mailing lists= , =0A> not =0A> to mention blogs, wikis, overlays and countless other metho= ds of =0A> development and communication.=0A=0AYes. We can not control or c= hange this universe, only we can try to make our life beter.=0A=0A=0A> As R= ich said, everyone has their favourite medium and every medium is =0A> not = suitable for every person.=0A=0AI am not against it. Read my mails one more= time.=0A=0A=0A>> I don't want any unnecessary attention from some Compute= r Science =0A> students (unable to get a job at Microsoft or Apple!=A0 sor= ry, I don't like =0A> to be that hard) to show their talent and gift me wit= h another unstable, =0A> unreliable, expectation only, useless distro.=0A> = I am not sure what this has to do with hangouts.=0A=0AI am keeping my mouth= shut here. More talk will lead to discussion on religion or political or m= anagement level (i.e., /dev/null).=0A=0A=0A>> Change is good, only if it i= mproves our life. For colourfull life there are =0A> other things one can p= lay with.=0A>> =0A>> The resourcefull developers/users can meet each other= at Gentoo Miniconf =0A> and similar other gatherings in real world. That w= ill make us more human.=0A> Again, Rich was spot on here. A quick search of= reveals that it would =0A> have taken me approximately 30-40 hours in tran= sit and $4,000-$6,000 in =0A> flights alone to have attended the Miniconf.= =0A=0AI am not saying these gatherings are good replacement for Video confe= rencing.=0A=0A=0A>> [P.S.: request you to read my first mail once again, I= am not totally =0A> against this type of activity. Everything has it's pla= ce & time.]=0A>> =0A> =0A> Best regards,=0A> Michael=0A>=0A=0A=0AI am reply= ing only to you doesn't mean I am attacking you personally. Just I am expla= ining my point of view about the proposal.=0A=0AThanks for your kind attent= ion.=0AI am not going to indulge on this topic any more.=0A=A0=0A=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AI'm yet a learner, warn me if I'm doing any wron= g... [|:-)