From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9D81381F3 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:09:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75121E08ED; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 828D4E08C0 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.226.178] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 15:09:24 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.5] by tm13.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 15:09:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 15:09:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 532275.32561.bm@omp1005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 5818 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2013 15:09:24 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1372172964; bh=K2ygMJv6l1crjCSj3HWBtHNZrPG/kX9LdyGDuvI+c3s=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DQTzTeDCHHetEdKxXX3mfTR713FMBP9LvcvKnPJkI1O09m+Ak1sxWbagarTCtur/KP2I12mUTrwfGHUKMU8YoXpvVViS6lAh1jSZjvnNlwaV4zU1qIC/v+jexW+NhEJL+nusrtzAWTbE0f9VA8t6LgwGQi1PStIbQeEB7xdgP5U= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2PifAkUimGYfBCGMsx/3TunOTRMeWU8RYgOue2D1Y9pF5ilY84S2HlKENIWXsSh7nEtZyk/PBr6TAKDztzp1NTygRQkQOzh/jwC6h+1itMRePRglsXVEGD7RsmiDYK68D4qVHaRb4cW0RyQ42+bzTTNPKFgxMzAo1fczRV9JS64=; X-YMail-OSG: KuOudyMVM1n89pkLx6juA5CC9rx5KFVltPkj_beXGz9X_jT b8IPl_QnXLve.3c0tB_JuWGGKnf5AY9wudEVAK4H41ccu59DjHILFDJdNTQP r3noX_ZU46cCGNiVXfImQkGbVxu_YrYFc6xpHr4885uSKslLle72M1w4sBPP RRLcRauwnKlQ6RJLEBYaJcjKlLMd.5UYuwkSaSrtzFotNSlDExL2dSPKjNX0 Nru3lubWFJWBCojQF4yFAcEyJCh2e_bn5sFVeyojimgPmPZNZswsk5qzsdEq zUT0qMj11LZxd1lezEBg8vvskfKbFGpV1BCL2vMFnRTBoBkkOE3Zg2DrbHfS qisxT8.vJVjW_CBwVZ2WpljyhxyvvQti9wPIP0cB.TuTT6ZU8r8x_0rLxO3q dWHoomAwalEhcOty3nN5nqXIleyKE2wXysAyUjC4LAXLgV8LyCCuDwcIjfAC LjU3FYVeZYgx_WcRSQdMgjqdA4ltmO0QRSerm0c2b4Ye_dnQzupUmTJNSySo bLwbS09t0Y75_PIC7IkalAghl3PsykapqR3_AziSPG9RZ6ZSKfOo- Received: from [117.194.125.161] by web120804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:09:24 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,CgotLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tCj4gRnJvbTogTWljaGFlbCBQYWxpbWFrYSA8a2Vuc2luZ3RvbkBnZW50b28ub3JnPgo.IAo.IE9uIDI1LzA2LzIwMTMgMjI6NDIsIEVnZyBQbGFudCB3cm90ZToKPj4gIEkgZG9uJ3Qga25vdyB3aGV0aGVyIGEgbmV3IGdlbnRvbyB1c2VyIGxpa2UgbWUgaGF2ZSBhbnkgc2F5IGhlcmUsIEkgCj4gd291bGQgbGlrZSB0byBwb2ludCBvdXQgc29tZSBwcm9ibGVtcyBhYm91dCB0aGlzIHByb3Bvc2FsICEKPj4gCj4.ICAyLiBHZW50b28gaXMgbm90IGJhY2tlZCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.554 References: <1372164171.99503.YahooMailNeo@web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1372172964.1496.YahooMailNeo@web120804.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Egg Plant Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Hangouts To: "gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org" In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: dd44a13b-fdf5-49c3-8b32-a947462f3296 X-Archives-Hash: ee69d812e4e6136b1d2cbe59317f2beb =0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A> From: Michael Palimaka =0A> =0A> On 25/06/2013 22:42, Egg Plant wrote:=0A>> I don't kno= w whether a new gentoo user like me have any say here, I =0A> would like to= point out some problems about this proposal !=0A>> =0A>> 2. Gentoo is not= backed by any public invested company or private company, =0A> no corporat= ion. So there is nobody to show your monthly/quarterly progress, =0A> nothi= ng to hide intelligently. That is why I'm here.=0A>> =0A>> 4. More communi= cation channels will just create fragmentation & =0A> distraction. Installi= ng & maintaing Gentoo is already a big work, now if I =0A> have to check re= gularly the huge Mailing lists, IRC, Bugzilla, git and now you =0A> are say= ing about Google Hangout, may be later someone will say about Twitter, =0A>= Facebook, .... I am just finished. It will just waste our time. FYI, I am = not a =0A> Computer Science student/engineer/researcher.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> = =A0 [N.B.: I am neither considering Gentoo because some Hero/Idol said so = or =0A> helping me out, nor just Stumbleupon it, I am here after trying oth= er distros =0A> and lots of associated frustration. ...]=0A>> =0A>> 7. It = can be ok if you or somebody else do it as an unofficial effort, =0A> don't= request the teams to make it another official channel.=0A>> =0A>> =0A> =0A= > These are all good reasons to not use Hangouts. Fortunately, there was = =0A> nothing in the proposal to suggest that it will be required for anyone= , =0A> or that it will replace any existing source of information. Therefor= e =0A> anyone who chooses not to make use of Hangouts will not otherwise be= =0A> affected by them.=0A>=0A=0A=0AAccording to Pavlos Ratis proposal, it = will be another channel of communication. I am not protesting to setup an u= nofficial channel there.=0A=0AI am fearing that it will gradually become an= avenue for talent show, similar to other binary distros. That is why I am = against to make it official channel.=0A=0A=0AVideo is more attractive than = Text or still photo.=0A=0ASeveral developers, who can afford the resources,= will gradually shift their communication to that channel. It's somewhat cy= clic dependency or chain reaction. It will just increase our workload (of g= entoo development awareness). More fragmentation & distraction as well as o= ther technical problems mentioned by others & me.=0A=0AI don't want any unn= ecessary attention from some Computer Science students (unable to get a job= at Microsoft or Apple!=A0=A0 sorry, I don't like to be that hard) to show = their talent and gift me with another unstable, unreliable, expectation onl= y, useless distro.=0A=0AChange is good, only if it improves our life. For c= olourfull life there are other things one can play with.=0A=0AThe resourcef= ull developers/users can meet each other at Gentoo Miniconf and similar oth= er gatherings in real world. That will make us more human.=0A=0A[P.S.: requ= est you to read my first mail once again, I am not totally against this typ= e of activity. Everything has it's place & time.]=0A=A0=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0AI'm yet a learner, warn me if I'm doing any wrong... [= |:-)