From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217EB1381F3 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 190BAE095A; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.229.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14A3EE0807 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 12:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.57] by nm40.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 12:42:52 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.170] by tm10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 12:42:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1081.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2013 12:42:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 165991.45947.bm@omp1081.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3617 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2013 12:42:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1372164172; bh=6ffh0yAzqDPsnsnKKjsijQWLrnLSwARCFFgnvTCyG0c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tucNIUI4GFL82u+kdcy4OC5VHt07F1isCmK+LCouKa69Ho/+xA0lTaBvOrpl4NntmbtR5CYL4u6y4KQjLFpIKwaSzqDVdJKGana8RVC8qYn6ua4TUOtHnBH6rvjSpBhbjGAzsOHjfodZeRtgyYBhIKj3TPtiKI52CWgYA4/EIWQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lCYT5uanz6mgboHsmg2fjVof7jS/8ZvAs5HSvIJcegesMiBffTpkYi1Bll5VLy/OPbq3GXOr9WACfgMHiCIhMl62J8A82/ryK/5CKbW9UTenb+s1oI4LbuyGhEwe4KCR/605CMEVMyERS7qq++9Q7qmjqd0WFlOi6LUWc27F0aU=; X-YMail-OSG: D9BWpUYVM1kjVWMjN3s7dooVFDK0jINmlmdTSPZLNQslfvg SvjMkBhJGakFYumo_dZ4USN9D.2jkfr6F_qqp.Qc_40Srunn6OhXDQwJwROt 7HyTYKvo8tJaAB45rCbllKzvuJh9NRub0BNOtBcuPOydrECyLhIXu1K0wE5f NstiQDwP2Qg_SGmX2HFDIILW.qfkV7Lm1kpIYTMfH5qoXRrPdBQs3sVf.cNe gtpRPXtLYpEI1q..G4VaS59Kmctplzj0GtyagVrYXvSQKuMlyMqFxh0bVhC8 b5CS7qRILsKzT7LUWuOxSdqkjbjOb0X5pD.l4mR.pb_Zs6ulf6Bn0iZKGueT L68IKhPoKegKvwqFd63B1aO6JpgVoVNr99usJcRX2oi2LLAxSn3hZ8MZd8mq uTlAypw2ErkynewnBGnxnHU1MvzN67Q_28t_MCapVQZHzTEJgAz8DQEabUEl Dwu47hJE6Fr1wzpK9vo_d0lh9IFh1M0Jvb6omAniJ2vPmG4KYma68ynqHP3C DLT2clqcA Received: from [117.194.124.152] by web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 05:42:51 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,LS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLQoKPiBGcm9tOiBNaWNoYWVsIFBhbGltYWthIDxrZW5zaW5ndG9uQGdlbnRvby5vcmc.Cj4gCj4gT24gMjQvMDYvMjAxMyAwNzozMCwgUGF2bG9zIFJhdGlzIHdyb3RlOgo.PsKgIFRoYXQncyB3aHkgSSdkIGxpa2UgdG8gcHJvcG9zZSBHZW50b28gSGFuZ291dHMuIEdlbnRvbyBIYW5nb3V0cyAKPiB3aWxsCj4.wqAgYmUgR29vZ2xlK8KgIHZpZGVvIEhhbmdvdXRzKHZpZGVvIGNhbGxzKSBoZWxkIGJ5IHRlYW1zIG9yIGRldmVsb3BlcnMKPj7CoCBpbmRlcGVuZGUBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.554 References: Message-ID: <1372164171.99503.YahooMailNeo@web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 05:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Egg Plant Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Hangouts To: "gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org" In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 3f880be2-d193-4ecc-bf16-72841fa79077 X-Archives-Hash: 8545de6e12198c3d666eb6b270ac27db ----- Original Message -----=0A=0A> From: Michael Palimaka =0A> =0A> On 24/06/2013 07:30, Pavlos Ratis wrote:=0A>>=A0 That's wh= y I'd like to propose Gentoo Hangouts. Gentoo Hangouts =0A> will=0A>>=A0 be= Google+=A0 video Hangouts(video calls) held by teams or developers=0A>>=A0= independent of a team. The main goal is to have the teams introduce=0A>>= =A0 themselves and discuss about different issues in their Gentoo-related= =0A>>=A0 projects.=0A> =0A> Thanks for taking the time and initiative to wo= rk on something new, I am =0A> sure it will prove interesting.=0A> =0A> It = is the response that confuses me - I don't understand why everyone is =0A> = rushing to shut it down before it even begins. For those that are not =0A> = interested in the idea of a video hangout, just don't use it and move on = =0A> - simple.=0A>=0A=0A=0AI don't know whether a new gentoo user like me h= ave any say here, I would like to point out some problems about this propos= al !=0A=0A1. Video requires high bandwidth internet, so useless in developi= ng countries, where even today you can not think of 24x7 internet. Yes, the= re are Broadband, 3G, 4G, ... just as advertisement, no real speed or relia= bility, or you may say we can not bear the huge cost.=0A=0A=0A2. Gentoo is = not backed by any public invested company or private company, no corporatio= n. So there is nobody to show your monthly/quarterly progress, nothing to h= ide intelligently. That is why I'm here.=0A=0A3. I am subscribed to almost = all mailing lists (I think it's justified for a newcomer), so already getti= ng huge mails. There is IRC for realtime communication, which is easily con= figurable in any computing device, no big price, no hidden code (atleast fo= r the client), no high bandwidth network, no battery drain.=0A=0A4. More co= mmunication channels will just create fragmentation & distraction. Installi= ng & maintaing Gentoo is already a big work, now if I have to check regular= ly the huge Mailing lists, IRC, Bugzilla, git and now you are saying about = Google Hangout, may be later someone will say about Twitter, Facebook, ....= I am just finished. It will just waste our time. FYI, I am not a Computer = Science student/engineer/researcher.=0A=0A=A0[N.B.: Gentoo is different fro= m other distros, every user need to be half developer/tester here. It's not= as polished/finished as the binary distros (atleast what they want to be).= It provides choice, ultimate customization, which is not a child play. Use= rs like to be aware of what is cooking with the ebuilds & sourcecode, what = will eventually come within a couple of months to their stable system, unli= ke 6 months of testing interval in binary distros.]=0A=0A5. I do'nt know wh= ether people outside of UK, USA, Australia, Canada, Germany and elites of= =A0 India, South Africa are at all comfortable with spoken english, I mean = to speak. So language will be a big barrier for this type of your promotion= al activity.=0A=0A=A0[N.B.: I am neither considering Gentoo because some He= ro/Idol said so or helping me out, nor just Stumbleupon it, I am here after= trying other distros and lots of associated frustration. Distrowatch is th= ere to maintain the Linux Distro Stock Exchange.]=0A=0A6. other members alr= eady stated some other valid reasons against it, I'm not repeating.=0A=0A7.= It can be ok if you or somebody else do it as an unofficial effort, don't = request the teams to make it another official channel.=0A=0A8. For promotio= nal activities, I would like to have an YouTube/ channel on= getting started type video tutorial, or developer's interview etc, special= ly during new Live DVD releases, Gentoo birthday, 25th December (people wil= l have one week to play with Gentoo). If possible, make it multilingual or = atleast provide multilingual subtitle.=0A=0A9. On a different note, I would= like to have the Handbook split into different parts: 1. Getting started (= installation in Qemu/Virtualbox preferably), 2. Advanced Network configurat= ion, 3. Software Management in details, 4. System/Service management (OpenR= C, Systemd). The big book for a newcomer is toooo boring.=0AI know it's not= the right place, just a comment for now!=0A=0A=0A=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=0AI'm yet a learner, warn me if I'm doing any wrong... [|:-)