From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DA71381F3 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C636FE0D03; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBE17E0CF8 for ; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (15.Red-2-137-4.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [2.137.4.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2990F33DEE1; Sun, 26 May 2013 07:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1369554998.2884.7.camel@localhost> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697) From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Cc: dlcampbell@gmx.com Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:56:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20130526085538.42214885@gentoo.org> References: <51A1A294.3000609@sporkbox.us> <51A1AA83.4080209@gmx.com> <20130526085538.42214885@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: cb3bf450-8e92-40ae-83ef-36d3253d124e X-Archives-Hash: 2d53b2a3a738f2bbc1fafaf7664be5cf El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 08:55 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: [...] > > As far as resisting systemd, why is that so bad? Vertical integration is > > generally a bad idea with the sole exception of when your use case(s) > > line up perfectly with the ivory tower and you need all of the offered > > features. If Gentoo falls to systemd, there will literally be no > > Linux-based distros left to prevent it from taking over, and as a result > > Linux-based systems will become more and more tightly integrated, > > killing the choice that Gentoo truly stands for and homogenizing everything. > > It is bad because ebuilds are not place to put politics into. If you > want to become dev, you should understand this. We are supposed to be > serious people. Serious people don't break user systems or refuse to > support them in the name of manifesting their wishes. > > It is bad because it's not systemd that's losing, it's Gentoo. Except > for the fact that there's just a few people that take Gentoo seriously > these days. > > Upstreams clearly show that they don't care. We can either sit > in the corner and resent, or we can work on improving the situation. > And going on flamewars or manifestations doesn't really improve > anything, you should know that by now. > It's also bad because you are affecting to a lot of people that can/want to use systemd, forcing you to have semi-usable setups because of your personal preferences.