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From: Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: dlcampbell@gmx.com
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 09:56:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1369554998.2884.7.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130526085538.42214885@gentoo.org>

El dom, 26-05-2013 a las 08:55 +0200, Michał Górny escribió:
[...]
> > As far as resisting systemd, why is that so bad? Vertical integration is
> > generally a bad idea with the sole exception of when your use case(s)
> > line up perfectly with the ivory tower and you need all of the offered
> > features. If Gentoo falls to systemd, there will literally be no
> > Linux-based distros left to prevent it from taking over, and as a result
> > Linux-based systems will become more and more tightly integrated,
> > killing the choice that Gentoo truly stands for and homogenizing everything.
> 
> It is bad because ebuilds are not place to put politics into. If you
> want to become dev, you should understand this. We are supposed to be
> serious people. Serious people don't break user systems or refuse to
> support them in the name of manifesting their wishes.
> 
> It is bad because it's not systemd that's losing, it's Gentoo. Except
> for the fact that there's just a few people that take Gentoo seriously
> these days.
> 
> Upstreams clearly show that they don't care. We can either sit
> in the corner and resent, or we can work on improving the situation.
> And going on flamewars or manifestations doesn't really improve
> anything, you should know that by now.
> 

It's also bad because you are affecting to a lot of people that can/want
to use systemd, forcing you to have semi-usable setups because of your
personal preferences.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-26  7:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2013-05-26  6:24 ` Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697) Daniel Campbell
2013-05-26  6:55   ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  7:37     ` Daniel Campbell
2013-05-26  7:56     ` Pacho Ramos [this message]
2013-05-25 16:14 Ben de Groot
2013-05-25 16:48 ` Michał Górny
2013-05-25 17:38   ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-25 20:02     ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-05-25 20:40       ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-25 20:45       ` Michał Górny
2013-05-25 21:38   ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-26  7:23   ` Ben de Groot
2013-05-26  7:43     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26 10:04       ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26 15:21         ` Ben de Groot
2013-05-26 16:15           ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2013-05-26 17:14             ` Matt Turner
2013-05-26 17:19             ` Andreas K. Huettel
2013-05-26  7:54     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 17:00 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-25 17:14   ` Carlos Silva
2013-05-26  7:15   ` Ben de Groot
2013-05-26  7:44     ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-26  7:45     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  9:59       ` Luca Barbato
2013-05-25 18:13 ` Markos Chandras
2013-05-25 19:53   ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-05-25 19:58     ` Mike Gilbert
2013-05-25 21:55       ` Anthony G. Basile
2013-05-25 19:59     ` Rich Freeman
2013-05-26  7:00     ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  7:22     ` Tiziano Müller
2013-05-26  7:46       ` Pacho Ramos
2013-05-26  7:49       ` Michał Górny
2013-05-26  7:00   ` Ben de Groot

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