From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD2E1381F3 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D21421C12A; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8831221C130 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (192.Red-2-137-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [2.137.54.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 205CE33D913 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Time based retirements From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <50D3F3E3.6090106@gentoo.org> References: <50D3F3E3.6090106@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-39kve2ZLW5fnk/Ss07nk" Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:25:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1356078332.2133.31.camel@belkin4> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 X-Archives-Salt: 94aaf009-232e-45da-9ce5-96312a0a3d41 X-Archives-Hash: 5b5395eaff0530ed763ce3d38b828525 --=-39kve2ZLW5fnk/Ss07nk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El jue, 20-12-2012 a las 21:30 -0800, "Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr." escribi=C3= =B3: > On 12/20/12 7:21 PM, Doug Goldstein wrote: > > I'm curious who had the brain dead idea to retire Gentoo developers > > that are still interested in the distro, that maintain low activity > > packages for herds that are stretched way too thin, and are still > > contributing to the distro in many ways other than direct CVS commits > > (e.g. overlays, user support, providing hardware to other devs, etc). >=20 > Dough, thank you for rising the issue. >=20 > I'm receiving the undertakers@ e-mail, so I have a pretty good view of > what's happening. >=20 > I have several suggestions how we can improve things: >=20 > 1. 3 months is too short period anyway. >=20 > 2. Think through what the goals are. We do not want to retire as many > people as possible. We do not want to frustrate people who do contribute > to Gentoo. We do not want to discourage people who consider becoming new > developers. At least I don't. >=20 > 3. I think what's important is to keep packages maintained. I consider > maintainership to be a duty, not a privilege. If someone is listed in > metadata.xml, but is not really maintaining the package, that creates a > formal illusion that the package is maintained, and may prevent other > people from stepping up and taking maintenance of that package. >=20 > 4. I suggest that we focus on the above: keeping packages maintained. > Taking packages out of hands of inactive/overworked maintainers is good. > They can always become _more_ active, which is easier if they retain cvs > access. If they make a single commit every 3-6 months, I'm fine with > that as long as things are maintained properly. >=20 > 5. Remember that cvs/bugzilla activity is not the only way of > contributing. It's probably most tanglible and very needed, but let's > not reduce real people and their real world situations, and their effort > to contribute to just dates and numbers. >=20 > Pawe=C5=82 >=20 >=20 Also I must note that I am currently only looking to people with 0 commits AND bugs assigned to them, if they don't have unresolved bugs for a long time I usually tend to leave them.=20 Also, before sending first mail, I also send them a mail to set their devaway message and handle his bugs and if they don't have time to reassign his packages, I do it for them. --=-39kve2ZLW5fnk/Ss07nk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlDUHPwACgkQCaWpQKGI+9TeKwCePqf0UijuYQ8bYE0auwwF6S/N QyAAn3lC9j42qt1dqjlu5+OzF9gxyjcy =tH9i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-39kve2ZLW5fnk/Ss07nk--