From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B3D1381F3 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D907821C013; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.2]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103F921C1C1 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkfUf-0002DM-BP for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:32:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:32:48 +0000 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Attracting developers (Re: Packages up for grabs...) To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: (from hwoarang@gentoo.org on Mon Dec 17 15:15:27 2012) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.12 Message-Id: <1355769168.2960.2@NeddySeagoon> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-dZQDwlxt1Gw5PDwhz5sX" X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [62.3.120.142] X-Archives-Salt: b76902d3-7daa-4f89-aca1-f541bb79a570 X-Archives-Hash: 44ac3da34e4a1c8b42f5563fa4a30a8d --=-dZQDwlxt1Gw5PDwhz5sX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2012.12.17 15:15, Markos Chandras wrote: > On 17 December 2012 12:31, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Markos Chandras > wrote: > >> Outsource it to someone who has the knowledge and interest in=20 > doing > >> this. The foundation has the funds to support it, and none of us > >> actually have the time to invest in a complete webpage redesign. > > > > If we have funds for this kind of thing, the PSF process is a good > example: > > > > http://pythonorg-redesign.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ > > > > (And I think that would be a great idea.) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Dirkjan > > >=20 > I believe this is something that this[1] project needs to decide and > set it in motion. >=20 > [1]http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pr/website.xml >=20 > --=20 > Regards, > Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 >=20 >=20 >=20 To make this project a suitable project for Foundation funding, it=20 needs a clearly defined specification that can be circulated for=20 interested parties to provide fixed price quotations against. The specification provides several things:- 1. the scope of work (out of scope work is extra cost) 2. the basis to judge completion (so we pay the fee) 3. some guidance as to implementation details I know that 3. is unusual in a requirement specification but in this=20 case it is unlikely that the Foundation would fund ongoing=20 mainatainace, so we would need to dictate a few implementation details. e.g. no Flash, Gentoo colours, Its worth contrasting this sort of thing with a bug bounty. The=20 requirement is easy - fix the bug. Judging completion is fairly=20 straight forward too. The patch is accepted by $UPSTREAM.=20 The requirement specification for a website is a lot of work by=20 comparison. Suppose the team in [1] above wrote the specification, who needs to=20 agree it? The council, the trustees, the body of devs ... some combination of=20 that list. All in all, producing an agreed specification for a website=20 it probably as much work as actually building the site. It could easily=20 be as much work as the PMS.=20 Anyway, I'm rambling a little. In summary, if we decide to outsource the website project, it needs to=20 be carefully controlled. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of elections gentoo-ops forum-mods trustees = --=-dZQDwlxt1Gw5PDwhz5sX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJQz2VQAAoJEFZf0zWq3OcJN78P/03GO52A+CP82P18ktDTTraH 27gaFCCOnjUcwqi1wDQUTGZ+M8XGv4dP7UuxG4pHYLUAt2WdBEx1ADZnoFoRjxHT EC7EEdGMbluA0urTzXrKphMSoTpFFdrUKb3fTmvBeynOaL7p9FAqHTWAl1ZZqnr8 YPM7zXHgRKdEux2DNmtunqplguK9VOULE0Q0XAazYLi/tibS8C/oH0vkeDiPGpLR U4+Me17asx+/LeG2/4xa0Nc+RJRKS1+Ol390o/TkowjH1UsVgwh4jI7PStascIHT p1+Ar3w4GPxL6b8OjMVn3nHe20isOF/78/Y5jRtDoeOn4j83ZurrVx2osT5y8yBn UdtFL3RhghphX238eXZLpE/bVLuRuapUbXNIzu8qLTR7gchnfxnsa2Fsdo4IfQ/u PKpjjoB9FbysGPdjbjy6TndvElsks+hCT6YUb6LDUtTk0O+7DNTG3X7fvpKBjKqx c2y8na8vAJJJDGfAWvVvdHXANcvmjEs/DVhXqyVEGUt41hHH+la06Al1cWM+uaSq Sk7J8WmMh8xRaszDx5yv75cwUpC3uluNUWHrgLD/xOHMIQ7TBm5dXxM4GsaDZduH ulVWnZRzjM0ZzxXbSBW4ZSg5GCxcd23Cc9sYBcVcS8jlMji7rx10FJYIoM4xqvru dDHlVYIJi7sy/fpBoIIF =ptFr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-dZQDwlxt1Gw5PDwhz5sX--