From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28227138010 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBDA221C010; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665A321C002 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (230.Red-2-137-43.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [2.137.43.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4230933D7A3 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] Drop EAPI=0 requirement for system packages. From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1350743387.12879.70.camel@belkin4> References: <20121012125315.33500bbb@sera-17.lan> <20121012211023.592e82a1@gentoo.org> <20121013082820.75d280a1@sera-17.lan> <20121016234230.3b79a2fe@gentoo.org> <1350495278.2447.33.camel@belkin4> <20121017220707.02c6f5ac@gentoo.org> <1350575341.2447.40.camel@belkin4> <1350587136.2447.47.camel@belkin4> <1350667312.12879.11.camel@belkin4> <20121019145105.4927316b@gentoo.org> <1350670155.12879.22.camel@belkin4> <20121019154733.31b2284c@gentoo.org> <1350675125.12879.44.camel@belkin4> <5081AD7B.1040100@gentoo.org> <1350676398.12879.50.camel@belkin4> <5081BA9E.2080907@gentoo.org> <1350713099.12879.54.camel@belkin4> <5082B07C.2030805@gentoo.org> <1350743387.12879.70.camel@belkin4> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-J7k7Es6UkkPKlT6KqNTt" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:53:27 +0200 Message-ID: <1350744807.12879.75.camel@belkin4> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 X-Archives-Salt: 55135baf-c6c3-44ad-9533-ec76c2b09a1f X-Archives-Hash: e62adc19ba376e732c16a5138982ce84 --=-J7k7Es6UkkPKlT6KqNTt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El s=C3=A1b, 20-10-2012 a las 16:29 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribi=C3=B3: [...] > > And finally, as already pointed out by Rich, you should not talk about > > any specific EAPI you like/prefer/want to be used everyhwere, but > > instead about the issue you want to solve. So just point out the issue > > and ask the maintainer to fix it. If he uses a newer EAPI, good. If he > > uses another solution, which also fixes the issue, also good. We should > > not discuss about a specific way to solve some issues, since this is th= e > > maintainers choice. Our goal should instead be to fix as many issues as > > possible with our limited amount of time we have for Gentoo. > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > I have already pointed multiple examples where bumping eapi will help to > improve things, not doing so because of that hypothetical problems you > think could occur only leads us to current situation: a ton of autotools > packages won't get --disable-silent-rules/--disable-dependency-tracking > improvements because people doesn't even try to bump eapi, some more > packages will hide utilities failing but not dying because of using old > eapis, inconsistent blockers handling around the tree due using > different eapis, packages still relying on dying in pkg_setup instead of > setting proper USE deps, packages still using dohard and dosed, html > files in /usr/share/doc being compressed because of old eapi usage, I > even noticed past week a package still using ebeep. Another case: all packages should benefit from mtimes preserving for installed files since eapi3 --=-J7k7Es6UkkPKlT6KqNTt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlCCuucACgkQCaWpQKGI+9RCfgCcCoVXwZV93oc2yxCwnmIxnarE 9aQAni1PxLbqbfuSGqjcMexycG4Ouapq =Oqnt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-J7k7Es6UkkPKlT6KqNTt--