From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2414E13800E for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1191E07FA; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7014AE07B5 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.96.0.60] (palm-64-28-152-140.palm.com [64.28.152.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tester) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B230C1B403D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1344537666.2121.8.camel@TesterTop4> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: Olivier =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cr=EAte?= To: gentoo-dev Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:41:06 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> References: <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> <20120809183130.GA6795@linux1> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-budEDRVjyr1M0FXgkoCM" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.3 (3.4.3-2.fc17) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: a0fd31a9-445a-4bb5-b2aa-3318d856fdb4 X-Archives-Hash: 4721c1b840e5294b7253ca0af0afc2e7 --=-budEDRVjyr1M0FXgkoCM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 13:31 -0500, William Hubbs wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Cr=C3=AAte wrote: > > > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementati= on > > > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudi= o > > > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it. > >=20 > > This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a ver= y > > reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is > > terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you. >=20 > Sorry to call you on this one, but that is not the experience I had. >=20 > I proposed adding configure switches to their build system to accomodate > source base distros, such as gentoo, who at times want to use udev > without systemd. I even went out of the way to make sure that I didn't > change their default settings. >=20 > Look at a thread on their ml called minimal builds along with their wiki > page on minimal builds for Lennart's answer. He even went so far as to > say that our package managers are broken, and there was absolutely no > negotiating this point. We are wrong as far as he is concerned. He has a perfectly reasonable argument that build time is really not something you should be optimising for. Build systems easily become overcomplicated if you try to make everyone happy, you do have to make choices. Anyway, I'm not sure how that's related to the quality or design of systemd. --=20 Olivier Cr=C3=AAte tester@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer --=-budEDRVjyr1M0FXgkoCM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlAkBEIACgkQHTiOWk7ZortsBwCeMpj0ExnMHARwOig/WVs7sw7i yCgAnjVUTFw4KEtwqCFV1mydIHYAN6ye =UtSb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-budEDRVjyr1M0FXgkoCM--