Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC

["Olivier Crête" <tester@gentoo.org>]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1553 bytes --]

On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 13:31 -0500, William Hubbs wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:12:46AM -0700, Olivier Crête wrote:
> > > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementation
> > > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudio
> > > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it.
> > 
> > This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a very
> > reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is
> > terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you.
> 
> Sorry to call you on this one, but that is not the experience I had.
> 
> I proposed adding configure switches to their build system to accomodate
> source base distros, such as gentoo, who at times want to use udev
> without systemd. I even went out of the way to make sure that I didn't
> change their default settings.
> 
> Look at a thread on their ml called minimal builds along with their wiki
> page on minimal builds for Lennart's answer. He even went so far as to
> say that our package managers are broken, and there was absolutely no
> negotiating this point. We are wrong as far as he is concerned.

He has a perfectly reasonable argument that build time is really not
something you should be optimising for. Build systems easily become
overcomplicated if you try to make everyone happy, you do have to make
choices. Anyway, I'm not sure how that's related to the quality or
design of systemd.

-- 
Olivier Crête
tester@gentoo.org
Gentoo Developer

[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --]