From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev+bounces-53922-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C22913800E for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E7CEE07B4; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D9DE0508 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.96.0.60] (palm-64-28-152-140.palm.com [64.28.152.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tester) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D712E1B4033 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1344535966.2121.6.camel@TesterTop4> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC From: Olivier =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cr=EAte?= <tester@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:12:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> References: <CACR_K2tKrkCBmsbBXen-Fqx3JYjpWq-qYGCHxEv6C4B9zh1t2Q@mail.gmail.com> <1344366029.24762.31.camel@TesterTop4> <502377E7.8010803@gentoo.org> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yGKoOqZ0GxTTt0VAYXUe" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.4.3 (3.4.3-2.fc17) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 08697e4c-740d-42d9-a629-64e3f0302f6b X-Archives-Hash: 6b0b4b6eab1d1229acb279b430aca50f --=-yGKoOqZ0GxTTt0VAYXUe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 10:42 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 08/07/2012 09:00 PM, Olivier Cr=C3=AAte wrote: > > I expect that in the not so long term, systemd will become an essential > > user-space component of desktop Linux, just like crond, syslog, dbus, > > udev or glibc. Sharing that code just makes sense, that allows >=20 > As in completely optional and easily replaceable? That would be a nice > improvement over the current "use it or die" attitude. Sure, you can use bionic and use a shell script as your PID 1. But no one would do that as part of a desktop/server computer. > Repeat after me: having your first process require anything more than > libc is stupid and dangerous. It's lucky that systemd only requires libc, libc-like libraries (libselinux, libcap, libaudit, librt, etc) and it's own libraries (ie, maintained by the systemd team) then? > Most ideas behind systemd are interesting, their current implementation > is sometimes completely wrong and given the experience with pulseaudio > we all know that they won't change even if you provide code for it. This is bullshit, if you have good reasoned arguments, Lennart is a very reasonable guy, but if you just say "your ideas are shit, you code is terrible", then yes, he'll just ignore you. --=20 Olivier Cr=C3=AAte tester@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer --=-yGKoOqZ0GxTTt0VAYXUe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlAj/Z4ACgkQHTiOWk7ZorudQgCfd/wf+l9FoEEZdZHak64/6xM7 +xQAnjr6gEbCZT0Yq+umFDB9KclCXb40 =6MTh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yGKoOqZ0GxTTt0VAYXUe--