From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SiNWx-0003II-Nl for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:25:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 645D5E0BAD; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB543E0B1B for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (132.Red-2-137-17.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [2.137.17.132]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: pacho) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD3CA1B4002 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5 From: Pacho Ramos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20120623095326.25423.qmail@stuge.se> References: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org> <20120620213518.4baf8150@googlemail.com> <4FE24408.40302@gentoo.org> <1340258936.2470.5.camel@belkin4> <20120621080039.0724cf8d@googlemail.com> <1340263510.2470.18.camel@belkin4> <20120621083945.345d661a@googlemail.com> <1340438017.5979.11.camel@belkin4> <20120623103833.6b9cb91e@googlemail.com> <20120623095326.25423.qmail@stuge.se> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-e1fnX0T696YyiLGXr87z" Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:24:32 +0200 Message-ID: <1340447072.5979.33.camel@belkin4> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 X-Archives-Salt: 9919d04c-8db4-4cdb-acae-0781af5effe8 X-Archives-Hash: 6f17f7af66e6e82757a0cad91ce0550f --=-e1fnX0T696YyiLGXr87z Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El s=C3=A1b, 23-06-2012 a las 11:53 +0200, Peter Stuge escribi=C3=B3: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > What is hurting is people demanding features without specifying what > > the problem is >=20 > Part of enabling progress is to show a strong will to communicate, > with the goal of extracting common understanding from discussion. >=20 > In any project based on volunteer effort you must show that you too > are interested in giving, for anyone to give you anything. >=20 > When it's not obvious that you want to receive - to the point where > you drive the discussion (the horror!) in order to arrive at that > point of common understanding - then people will be upset and look > down on you, because dealing with you leaves too sour a taste behind. >=20 >=20 > //Peter As Peter explains, I think it is now clear enough what I was demanding (about clarifying what is needed to get things in next EAPI to prevent issues like Tommy is suffering to get multilib stuff done), but I star to think Ciaran thinks it's easier to simply wear a blindfold on to keep thinking all what he says cannot be corrected at all, neither improved and others must follow his instructions blindly --=-e1fnX0T696YyiLGXr87z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEUEABECAAYFAk/lmWAACgkQCaWpQKGI+9R3QACdEgOCsUXc180c/svEvwNspl/q QuwAl32MN7cy/I2S+p1NSd+2RcGk07k= =kW6c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-e1fnX0T696YyiLGXr87z--