From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ShhE1-0003Dy-L9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:15:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41929E0A7D; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pcsrvc.com (mars.pcsrvc.com [24.225.5.123]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D82BE0920 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (mail.pcsrvc.com [10.0.0.114]) by mail.pcsrvc.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C68414D4790 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:13:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pcsrvc.com Received: from mail.pcsrvc.com ([10.0.0.114]) by localhost (mail2.pcsrvc.com [10.0.0.114]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id tcTAU6rkl9r4 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.3.1] (linux.homershut.net [24.225.5.125]) (using SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hparker@pcsrvc.com) by mail.pcsrvc.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF47014D449B for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5 From: Homer Parker To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20120621133048.416c6ccd@snowbell> References: <4FE231BA.6020404@gentoo.org> <20120620213518.4baf8150@googlemail.com> <4FE24408.40302@gentoo.org> <1340258936.2470.5.camel@belkin4> <20120621080039.0724cf8d@googlemail.com> <1340280687.5028.6.camel@homer> <20120621133048.416c6ccd@snowbell> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-zFjMtMMrW2VSwVDF1d9Z" Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:13:50 -0500 Message-ID: <1340284430.5028.15.camel@homer> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 X-Archives-Salt: 486ae465-1107-4321-bafb-926d054f718c X-Archives-Hash: 0ecfb6e2fb3df6297f709a25da310085 --=-zFjMtMMrW2VSwVDF1d9Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 13:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 07:11:27 -0500 > Homer Parker wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > In case you're not aware, the first time Gentoo did multilib, it was > > > done as a series of random changes to Portage that no-one really > > > thought through or understood. As you can see, that didn't work...= =20 > >=20 > > No, but paved the way for other distros as they had nothing > > even close. I'm sure you remember back then. Don't be an ass. >=20 > And what did Gentoo get out of it? >=20 > What I remember is Gentoo putting in lots of work randomly changing > things until things worked, and ending up not knowing what most of > those changes were or why they were done. The end result is that > there's still a random smattering of multilib-related mess cluttering > up ebuild internals that doesn't actually do anything except cause > intermittent breakages. Doing experiments is great as a way of > understanding the problem, but it isn't how you deliver a solution. > That takes a lot more work, and someone has to be prepared to do it. >=20 The hell? Other distos where still thinking of how to implement multilib and we had it. I know first hand as I trashed a system trying out the latest-n-greatest.. And the next round fixed it. The -emul packages from then on along with the multilib profiles have worked fine. Again, quit being an ass. Oh, and what I remember is.. You didn't contribute. There was kingtaco, lv, and kuglafang . So you're clear there, you didn't have a damn thing to do with it. --=20 Homer Parker --=-zFjMtMMrW2VSwVDF1d9Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iF4EABEKAAYFAk/jHg4ACgkQASm3I/ZxoNv8pwD9ExM9wuS5xQ9WFbu1yoLWPNhh /k7s2lOB+bGgRDBiYvEA/2TlHxWOCseCHsEIy+SurzlJtuparlLuoIOfYJ80xfIm =AGQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-zFjMtMMrW2VSwVDF1d9Z--