[gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

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Hello there!

Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?

I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
the main tree.
The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix system.
You are actually ruining this goal.

I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
not the whole system.


Cheers.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[JD Horelick]

On 21 January 2012 13:01, . <ivdwut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello there!
>
> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
>
> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> the main tree.
> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix system.
> You are actually ruining this goal.
>
> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> not the whole system.
>
>
> Cheers.
>

To your first comment, I believe you can put:

ACCEPT_LICENSES="@FSF-APPROVED"

in your /etc/make.conf and with that, portage will only allow you to
install software with a license approved by the FSF.

As for your second comment.....No comment. :P

Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:01:26 +0300
"." <ivdwut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
> 
> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> the main tree.
> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix
> system. You are actually ruining this goal.

Why yes! Gentoo has been working closely with the FSF to add support
for "Digital Freedom Management" hardware. Soon you will be able to buy
a processor with special firmware ensuring that only FSF-licenced code
will be permitted to execute, and that only free data can be loaded;
Gentoo has signed up to this program, and has plans to ship a
DFM-enabled release as soon as some minor kinks are worked out:

* it turns out that some of Gentoo's core components are distributed
  under licences which don't forbid users from owning software patents
  -- we're working on rewrites that allow us to enforce this freedom.

* we're not sure whether the Linux kernel meets the FSF's strict
  freedom requirements. Unfortunately, we have a few minor hardware
  incompatibilities with Hurd that we've not yet worked out.

The Gentoo Foundation is also using some of its funds to lobby the USA
and the EU for mandatory DFM support in all new hardware, thus ensuring
that freedom hating terrorists can't choose not to have freedom enforced
upon them.

> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> not the whole system.

Good news on that front too. Gentoo Linux will be renamed to
GNU/FDO/IBM/Oracle/Mozilla/KDE/Gnome/Linux as soon as we make sure we
haven't left anyone out.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Mart Raudsepp]

Hello,

On L, 2012-01-21 at 21:01 +0300, . wrote:
> Hello there!
> 
> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?

You have all the tools available to only install FSF approved licensed
packages through the ACCEPT_LICENSE and related features. I'm sure
maintainers don't mind fixing license tags based on bug reports if some
are incorrect at places.
A Gentoo based distribution called Ututo GNU/Linux may be of interest to
you.

> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> the main tree.

Some of us need to get actual work done, and doing so without being
seriously impeded may require non-free software, or for even being able
to use their hardware.
Not all people are so radically viewed - meanwhile we provide the means
to achieve what you need per the above mentioned ACCEPT_LICENSE stuff.

> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix system.
> You are actually ruining this goal.

We are not paid by the FSF to achieve its goals. We are volunteers
getting our stuff done, developing a distribution to fit our needs and
minding our own business.

> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> not the whole system.

Feel free to go discuss that on the gentoo-users mailing list or the
forums. Here we'd like to get work done, and many of us want to be able
to easily use and configure open source and free software, not spend
hours on discussing and fighting about open source beliefs versus more
radical free software philosophies. We provide the means, and e.g Ututo
distribution and thousands of Gentoo users make use of it.


Best Regards,
Mart Raudsepp
Gentoo Linux developer, GNOME team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Alexandre Rostovtsev]

On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 13:09 -0500, JD Horelick wrote:
> To your first comment, I believe you can put:
> 
> ACCEPT_LICENSES="@FSF-APPROVED"
> 
> in your /etc/make.conf and with that, portage will only allow you to
> install software with a license approved by the FSF.

It's ACCEPT_LICENSE (singular). Users who want only free/libre software
and documentation should probably set

ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FREE"

to allow the FSF- and OSI-approved licenses and other miscellaneous
licenses meeting the free definition, and deny everything else; see
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=2&chap=1

-Alexandre.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Mr. Aaron W. Swenson]

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On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 01:09:45PM -0500, JD Horelick wrote:
> On 21 January 2012 13:01, . <ivdwut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello there!
> >
> > Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
> >
> > I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> > the main tree.
> > The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix system.
> > You are actually ruining this goal.
> >
> > I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> > not the whole system.
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> 
> To your first comment, I believe you can put:
> 
> ACCEPT_LICENSES="@FSF-APPROVED"
> 
> in your /etc/make.conf and with that, portage will only allow you to
> install software with a license approved by the FSF.
> 
> As for your second comment.....No comment. :P
> 

To answer your question: Gentoo Linux is a free distro. To be more precise, it
is a free meta-distribution. In fact, all of the packages in the tree are
free.

As to the name: 'Gentoo' is the name of the organization, 'Linux' is the
name of the operating system. 'Gentoo Linux' is a fairly sensible name for
a product.

-- 
Mr. Aaron W. Swenson
Gentoo Linux Developer
Email    : titanofold@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)]

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El 21/01/12 19:01, . escribió:
> Hello there!
>
> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
>
> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> the main tree.
> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix system.
> You are actually ruining this goal.
>
> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> not the whole system.
If it weren't because I know rms won't ever use gmail I'd thought it
could have him under another name since I had this same discussion with
him at FSCONS.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

["Paweł Hajdan, Jr."]

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On 1/21/12 7:01 PM, . wrote:
> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix system.
> You are actually ruining this goal.

Forcing people to use a system that doesn't meet their requirements is
not the right solution to this problem.

It's not like people using one of
<http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html> distros don't use
non-free software _because_ the distro doesn't package it. They use
those distros because they don't want non-free software.

And with that clear, you can actually do the same using ACCEPT_LICENSES
in Gentoo.

If you want other people to use free software more, you can tell them to
use ACCEPT_LICENSES on Gentoo, or not to use non-free in Debian, or to
switch to one of <http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html> distros.
But ultimately it's their choice and their responsibility.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Michał Górny]

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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:01:26 +0300
"." <ivdwut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?

It's free. We don't force it to do anything, it may leave any day it
wishes.

> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> the main tree.

Yes, that's bad news. I always thought we didn't keep packages
in there. I'm sure we will hunt them down soon.

> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix
> system. You are actually ruining this goal.

Yes, we all run proprietary unix systems on our Gentoo. I'm not sure
where it hides but I'm sure I will find it someday.

> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> not the whole system.

Please punish us by removing from distrowatch. Oh wait...

I'm wonder why I'm replying to a mail sent by person who lacks enough
courage to sign him-/herself. I guess I want to be funny too.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Nirbheek Chauhan]

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:01:26 +0300
> "." <ivdwut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
>> not the whole system.
>
> Please punish us by removing from distrowatch. Oh wait...
>
> I'm wonder why I'm replying to a mail sent by person who lacks enough
> courage to sign him-/herself. I guess I want to be funny too.
>

Actually, I'm wondering how much cognitive dissonance it takes to
complain about the possibility of using proprietary software in a mail
sent via gmail.

-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Markos Chandras]

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On 01/21/2012 06:01 PM, . wrote:
> Hello there!
> 
> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
> 
> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages
> in the main tree. The main goal of the GNU project was to replace
> the proprietary Unix system. You are actually ruining this goal.
> 
> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the
> kernel not the whole system.
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
Please guys stop replying to this email. It is clearly a spam or a
flamebait. Try to avoid (unnecessary) flames :)

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Alec Warner]

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On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> On 01/21/2012 06:01 PM, . wrote:
>> Hello there!
>>
>> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
>>
>> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages
>> in the main tree. The main goal of the GNU project was to replace
>> the proprietary Unix system. You are actually ruining this goal.
>>
>> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the
>> kernel not the whole system.
>>
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
> Please guys stop replying to this email. It is clearly a spam or a
> flamebait. Try to avoid (unnecessary) flames :)
>
> - --
> Regards,
> Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Francesco R.(vivo)]

On Saturday 21 January 2012 21:56:22 Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 01/21/2012 06:01 PM, . wrote:
> > Hello there!
> > 
> > Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
> > 
> > I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages
> > in the main tree. The main goal of the GNU project was to replace
> > the proprietary Unix system. You are actually ruining this goal.
> > 
> > I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the
> > kernel not the whole system.
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers.
> 
> Please guys stop replying to this email. It is clearly a spam or a
> flamebait. Try to avoid (unnecessary) flames :)

well, while the original mail was disturbing most of the reply have been fun 
to read (some even instructive), so may be this time it was worth an exception 
and feeding the troll :-)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Saturday 21 January 2012 13:01:26 . wrote:
> Hello there!
> 
> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
> 
> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> the main tree.
> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix
> system. You are actually ruining this goal.
> 
> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> not the whole system.

meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Free Gentoo

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 21:01 Sat 21 Jan     , . wrote:
> Hello there!
> 
> Is there a chance that Gentoo may become a free distro?
> 
> I'm so unhappy with the fact that there are some non-free packages in
> the main tree.
> The main goal of the GNU project was to replace the proprietary Unix system.
> You are actually ruining this goal.
> 
> I'm also dissatisfied with the name of the distro. Linux is the kernel
> not the whole system.

Hi,

You should be using the Gentoo derivative Utoto GNU/Linux [1], which 
consists entirely of FSF-approved free software.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ututo

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Council Member / Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux <http://dberkholz.com>
Analyst, RedMonk <http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/>

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