From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Riupj-00073b-Cq for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:26:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF3C821C04B; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FB621C021 for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.117] (modemcable154.55-37-24.static.videotron.ca [24.37.55.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tester) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 171231B404D for ; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1325798764.2385.4.camel@TesterTop4> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr From: Olivier =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cr=EAte?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:26:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20120105210935.48306bb9@googlemail.com> References: <20120103212215.GU780@gentoo.org> <20120103230918.GA7247@linux1> <4F03A1AA.6070205@gentoo.org> <20120104091743.0e1cd91a@pomiocik.lan> <4F0440B3.4090500@gentoo.org> <20120104163734.07439f2b@pomiocik.lan> <20120104163315.GV780@gentoo.org> <20120104174742.11d7002d@pomiocik.lan> <20228.34930.732592.657243@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120105193024.GA8291@linux1> <20120105200844.1124e9d4@googlemail.com> <1325797329.2385.1.camel@TesterTop4> <20120105210935.48306bb9@googlemail.com> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-skOiNZ6hwJ4V5ZB+tMyu" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2 (3.2.2-1.fc16) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: db3b774e-f9c5-4cdd-be42-edd5f6ea597a X-Archives-Hash: 87fd32b0bfb77094791e30c1af76f8af --=-skOiNZ6hwJ4V5ZB+tMyu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 21:09 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:02:09 -0500 > Olivier Cr=C3=AAte wrote: > > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600 > > > William Hubbs wrote: > > > > > Or will /etc move to /usr too? > > > >=20 > > > > No, /etc isn't going anywhere. > > >=20 > > > Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to > > > put /etc inside your initrd (since / can't be mounted without it). > > > Obviously, you'd have to reboot if you made any changes to your > > > config files, but that's OK since you can't safely restart daemons > > > anyway. > >=20 > > Dude, the systemd people are not crazy. You should try to understand > > what they do before criticizing.=20 >=20 > I don't claim they're crazy. I claim they're sacrificing functionality, > correctness, loose coupling, simplicity, well defined behaviour, > understandability and stability in order to implement questionable new > shiny things. The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide more functionality than any other init system, more correctness (seriously, did you ever read most init scripts out there?), more well defined behavior (all systemd systems boot exactly the same), more stability (I'll claim that Lennart's C is better than any of the boot-time shell scripts I've seen) and well understandability depends who much you can understand C. Probably a bit less understandable for sysadmins, but since they can just play with config files, it's probably easier to understand in the end (and much less prone to breaking than mucking around shell scripts). --=20 Olivier Cr=C3=AAte tester@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer --=-skOiNZ6hwJ4V5ZB+tMyu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk8GFWwACgkQHTiOWk7ZortEYACeJUHd4S9LqbVT8kkRQ53smZUz +S4AnilqL/lQxz2AbBPO6mxQmil+qFKa =OiNs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-skOiNZ6hwJ4V5ZB+tMyu--