From: "Olivier Crête" <tester@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:26:04 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1325798764.2385.4.camel@TesterTop4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120105210935.48306bb9@googlemail.com>
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On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 21:09 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:02:09 -0500
> Olivier Crête <tester@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 20:08 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:24 -0600
> > > William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > > > Or will /etc move to /usr too?
> > > >
> > > > No, /etc isn't going anywhere.
> > >
> > > Are you sure? I heard a rumour that systemd will soon require you to
> > > put /etc inside your initrd (since / can't be mounted without it).
> > > Obviously, you'd have to reboot if you made any changes to your
> > > config files, but that's OK since you can't safely restart daemons
> > > anyway.
> >
> > Dude, the systemd people are not crazy. You should try to understand
> > what they do before criticizing.
>
> I don't claim they're crazy. I claim they're sacrificing functionality,
> correctness, loose coupling, simplicity, well defined behaviour,
> understandability and stability in order to implement questionable new
> shiny things.
The only thing I see them sacrificing is loose coupling, they provide
more functionality than any other init system, more correctness
(seriously, did you ever read most init scripts out there?), more well
defined behavior (all systemd systems boot exactly the same), more
stability (I'll claim that Lennart's C is better than any of the
boot-time shell scripts I've seen) and well understandability depends
who much you can understand C. Probably a bit less understandable for
sysadmins, but since they can just play with config files, it's probably
easier to understand in the end (and much less prone to breaking than
mucking around shell scripts).
--
Olivier Crête
tester@gentoo.org
Gentoo Developer
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2012-01-01 1:59 [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr William Hubbs
2012-01-01 6:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2012-01-02 17:54 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-01-02 18:30 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 7:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 7:33 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-01 20:09 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 20:51 ` Dale
2012-01-01 21:49 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 3:12 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-01-05 3:43 ` Dale
2012-01-01 20:18 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 7:33 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-01-01 20:21 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 20:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-01 21:50 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 8:41 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-03 18:50 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 18:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-03 19:07 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 19:02 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:12 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 20:01 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 21:22 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 23:09 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 23:27 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 0:47 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 8:17 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 12:06 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 15:37 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 16:33 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 16:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 17:12 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-04 17:32 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 18:26 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 20:12 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-05 2:40 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-07 3:10 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-07 6:58 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-07 9:35 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-07 20:20 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-04 18:27 ` Kent Fredric
2012-01-04 18:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 18:51 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 19:09 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-07 0:41 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-07 0:59 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-07 1:10 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-07 9:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 18:55 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-05 19:30 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-05 20:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 20:40 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-05 20:44 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-05 21:02 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 21:09 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 21:26 ` Olivier Crête [this message]
2012-01-06 0:44 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-01-06 0:57 ` Arun Raghavan
2012-01-06 2:15 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-06 2:58 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-06 8:16 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-06 15:28 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-06 8:55 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-05 22:06 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-05 22:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 22:36 ` Alex Alexander
2012-01-06 13:35 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-06 16:07 ` Alex Alexander
2012-01-07 23:47 ` Lars Wendler
2012-01-08 9:33 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 18:14 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-10 18:46 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 18:56 ` Dale
2012-01-10 19:03 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 19:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-10 22:40 ` Dale
2012-01-11 7:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 8:38 ` Christopher Head
2012-01-11 8:44 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-11 17:03 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 17:04 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-11 16:34 ` Dale
2012-01-11 17:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 17:13 ` Dale
2012-01-11 17:26 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-11 18:24 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-11 18:42 ` Dale
2012-01-17 22:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-17 22:29 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-10 19:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2012-01-10 22:49 ` Dale
2012-01-10 19:09 ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2012-01-10 22:55 ` Dale
2012-01-17 22:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-18 3:38 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dale
2012-01-18 4:18 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-01-18 5:57 ` Dale
2012-01-18 7:02 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-18 7:20 ` Dale
2012-01-18 13:36 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 12:28 ` Dale
2012-01-21 14:57 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 21:34 ` Dale
2012-01-21 21:50 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-21 23:45 ` Dale
2012-01-22 0:12 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-21 22:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 23:43 ` Dale
2012-01-04 18:50 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:00 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 19:28 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:32 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 18:48 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 19:26 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:36 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 19:19 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:35 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-03 19:47 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-03 20:15 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:39 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:47 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 20:32 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-06 18:26 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-01 16:56 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:40 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-01 22:39 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-01-01 8:53 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-01 9:09 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-02 18:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 9:45 ` Dale
2012-01-01 13:44 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-01 14:05 ` Dale
2012-01-01 20:21 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 11:47 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-02 12:58 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-02 13:31 ` Kent Fredric
2012-01-02 16:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 22:47 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-04 0:32 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 18:43 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 13:50 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-04 13:54 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 15:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-04 15:24 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 18:16 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-01-04 15:51 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-01-04 15:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-04 16:02 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 17:40 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 18:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-04 18:30 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 18:53 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 20:45 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 21:55 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 3:24 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-05 4:58 ` Duncan
2012-01-06 18:10 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-05 8:26 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-05 11:08 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-05 14:30 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 14:31 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 17:12 ` Duncan
2012-01-05 18:17 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 18:08 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-03 15:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 16:08 ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-01-03 16:40 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 9:07 ` [gentoo-dev] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2012-01-03 17:45 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 18:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 23:58 ` Duncan
2012-01-01 9:23 ` Duncan
2012-01-01 10:15 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-01 17:54 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 16:03 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 16:51 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 17:00 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 17:03 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 17:35 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 17:59 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:32 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:46 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 20:17 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 5:39 ` Duncan
2012-01-02 6:44 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-02 14:48 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 17:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-01-02 17:54 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-02 18:37 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-02 18:46 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 16:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-02 6:24 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-01-02 9:45 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-02 17:03 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 9:51 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-03 15:10 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 16:40 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 18:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-01-03 18:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:19 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:30 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 19:28 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-03 19:39 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-04 12:58 ` Arun Raghavan
2012-01-04 13:13 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 13:23 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-06 17:50 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-06 18:25 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 18:41 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-06 19:05 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 19:21 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-12 15:29 ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-01-12 16:06 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-07 1:08 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-07 19:01 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-08 11:48 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-08 22:58 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-09 7:20 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-09 8:22 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-09 10:30 ` Alec Warner
2012-02-04 16:31 ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-02-04 17:27 ` Rich Freeman
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