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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr
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On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> * Olivier Cr=C3=AAte schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > > /bin/systemctl
> > > > 	libdbus-1.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
> > >=20
> > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really b=
e
> > > called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"...
> >=20
> > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for
> > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash.
> > Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boo=
t
> > without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus.
>=20
> If this was true, we will soon have problems with linux systems that
> windows had in 1995.
>=20
> IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level"
> stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at
> least.

d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth
without d-bus. Even Android has it..

That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a "UI"
tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it to
boot.


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Olivier Cr=C3=AAte
tester@gentoo.org
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