From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RiW0P-0007l5-0E for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:56:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E368E21C1C7; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:55:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E475121C042 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.117] (modemcable154.55-37-24.static.videotron.ca [24.37.55.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: tester) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AF9A1B4090 for ; Wed, 4 Jan 2012 18:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1325703182.11298.5.camel@TesterTop4> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr From: Olivier =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Cr=EAte?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:53:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20120104183007.GG30764@lisa.schiffbauer.lan> References: <20120101015947.GA9914@linux1> <20120101085326.GA1928@gentoo.org> <20120102194341.3766edeb@pomiocik.lan> <20120104165112.5c24ed12@pomiocik.lan> <20120104155407.7c946dbc@googlemail.com> <1325698810.22213.16.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20120104183007.GG30764@lisa.schiffbauer.lan> Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-t68py3K7zL2r6mQJT9e0" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2 (3.2.2-1.fc16) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: be9b267e-052a-42d7-9767-3503360bcf2c X-Archives-Hash: 2b862f43475084ff498841a7dad75a26 --=-t68py3K7zL2r6mQJT9e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote: > * Olivier Cr=C3=AAte schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr: > > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100 > > > Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > > > /bin/systemctl > > > > libdbus-1.so.3 =3D> /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3 > > >=20 > > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really b= e > > > called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"... > >=20 > > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for > > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash. > > Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boo= t > > without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus. >=20 > If this was true, we will soon have problems with linux systems that > windows had in 1995. >=20 > IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level" > stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at > least. d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth without d-bus. Even Android has it.. That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a "UI" tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it to boot. --=20 Olivier Cr=C3=AAte tester@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer --=-t68py3K7zL2r6mQJT9e0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk8EoA4ACgkQHTiOWk7Zorso1wCfXttl5/NBVr2uN2bH5gT6oEDI Q2gAn0y6hQ30wbRDvphKVqo3Vfj8imqi =CNKr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-t68py3K7zL2r6mQJT9e0--