From: "Olivier Crête" <tester@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 13:53:02 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1325703182.11298.5.camel@TesterTop4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120104183007.GG30764@lisa.schiffbauer.lan>
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On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 19:30 +0100, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> * Olivier Crête schrieb am 04.01.12 um 18:40 Uhr:
> > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 15:54 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:51:12 +0100
> > > Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > > /bin/systemctl
> > > > libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib64/libdbus-1.so.3
> > >
> > > Here is a prime example of why "vertical integration" should really be
> > > called "a horrible mess of tight coupling"...
> >
> > You clearly have failed to realize that d-bus is a now the bus for
> > system messaging and is as much part of the system as syslog or bash.
> > Probably even more so, for example, in Fedora 17, you'll be able to boot
> > without syslog or bash, but you need d-bus.
>
> If this was true, we will soon have problems with linux systems that
> windows had in 1995.
>
> IMO a system should *always* be bootable without that "high level"
> stuff. And by bootable I mean that you can get a root prompt at
> least.
d-bus is not high-level stuff... For example, you can't use bluetooth
without d-bus. Even Android has it..
That said, in the new systemd world, bash is.. Since it's only a "UI"
tools (just like gnome-shell for example). Since you don't need it to
boot.
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Olivier Crête
tester@gentoo.org
Gentoo Developer
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2012-01-01 1:59 [gentoo-dev] rfc: locations of binaries and separate /usr William Hubbs
2012-01-01 6:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2012-01-02 17:54 ` Alexis Ballier
2012-01-02 18:30 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 7:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 7:33 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-01 20:09 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 20:51 ` Dale
2012-01-01 21:49 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 3:12 ` Jeroen Roovers
2012-01-05 3:43 ` Dale
2012-01-01 20:18 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 7:33 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-01-01 20:21 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-01 20:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-01 21:50 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 8:41 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-03 18:50 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 18:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-03 19:07 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 19:02 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:12 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 20:01 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 21:22 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 23:09 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 23:27 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 0:47 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 8:17 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 12:06 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 15:37 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 16:33 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 16:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 17:12 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-04 17:32 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 18:26 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 20:12 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-05 2:40 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-07 3:10 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-07 6:58 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-07 9:35 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-07 20:20 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-04 18:27 ` Kent Fredric
2012-01-04 18:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 18:51 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 19:09 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-07 0:41 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-07 0:59 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-07 1:10 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-07 9:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 18:55 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-05 19:30 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-05 20:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 20:40 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-05 20:44 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-05 21:02 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 21:09 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 21:26 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-06 0:44 ` Patrick Lauer
2012-01-06 0:57 ` Arun Raghavan
2012-01-06 2:15 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-06 2:58 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-06 8:16 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-06 15:28 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-06 8:55 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-05 22:06 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-05 22:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-05 22:36 ` Alex Alexander
2012-01-06 13:35 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-06 16:07 ` Alex Alexander
2012-01-07 23:47 ` Lars Wendler
2012-01-08 9:33 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 18:14 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-10 18:46 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 18:56 ` Dale
2012-01-10 19:03 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-10 19:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-10 22:40 ` Dale
2012-01-11 7:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 8:38 ` Christopher Head
2012-01-11 8:44 ` Ulrich Mueller
2012-01-11 17:03 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 17:04 ` Matthew Thode
2012-01-11 16:34 ` Dale
2012-01-11 17:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-11 17:13 ` Dale
2012-01-11 17:26 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-11 18:24 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-11 18:42 ` Dale
2012-01-17 22:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-17 22:29 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-10 19:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2012-01-10 22:49 ` Dale
2012-01-10 19:09 ` Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
2012-01-10 22:55 ` Dale
2012-01-17 22:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-18 3:38 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dale
2012-01-18 4:18 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-01-18 5:57 ` Dale
2012-01-18 7:02 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-18 7:20 ` Dale
2012-01-18 13:36 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 12:28 ` Dale
2012-01-21 14:57 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 21:34 ` Dale
2012-01-21 21:50 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-21 23:45 ` Dale
2012-01-22 0:12 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-21 22:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-21 23:43 ` Dale
2012-01-04 18:50 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:00 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 19:28 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:32 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-04 18:48 ` Thomas Sachau
2012-01-04 19:26 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 19:36 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 19:19 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:35 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-03 19:47 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-03 20:15 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:39 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:47 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 20:32 ` Eray Aslan
2012-01-06 18:26 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-01 16:56 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:40 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-01 22:39 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-01-01 8:53 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-01 9:09 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-02 18:41 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-01 9:45 ` Dale
2012-01-01 13:44 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-01 14:05 ` Dale
2012-01-01 20:21 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 11:47 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-02 12:58 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-02 13:31 ` Kent Fredric
2012-01-02 16:01 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 22:47 ` Sven Vermeulen
2012-01-04 0:32 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 18:43 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 13:50 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-04 13:54 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 15:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J Long
2012-01-04 15:24 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 18:16 ` Robin H. Johnson
2012-01-04 15:51 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-01-04 15:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-04 16:02 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-04 17:40 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-04 18:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-01-04 18:30 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 18:53 ` Olivier Crête [this message]
2012-01-04 20:45 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-04 21:55 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 3:24 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-05 4:58 ` Duncan
2012-01-06 18:10 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-05 8:26 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-05 11:08 ` Marc Schiffbauer
2012-01-05 14:30 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 14:31 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-05 17:12 ` Duncan
2012-01-05 18:17 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 18:08 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-03 15:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 16:08 ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-01-03 16:40 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-03 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 9:07 ` [gentoo-dev] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2012-01-03 17:45 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 18:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 23:58 ` Duncan
2012-01-01 9:23 ` Duncan
2012-01-01 10:15 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-01 17:54 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 16:03 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 16:51 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 17:00 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 17:03 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 17:35 ` Duncan
2012-01-03 17:59 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:32 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 18:46 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 20:17 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-02 5:39 ` Duncan
2012-01-02 6:44 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-02 14:48 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-01 17:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-01-02 17:54 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-02 18:37 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-02 18:46 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 16:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-02 6:24 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2012-01-02 9:45 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-02 17:03 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 9:51 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-03 15:10 ` William Hubbs
2012-01-03 16:40 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2012-01-03 18:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-01-03 18:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " William Hubbs
2012-01-03 19:19 ` Olivier Crête
2012-01-03 19:30 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-01-03 19:28 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-03 19:39 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-04 12:58 ` Arun Raghavan
2012-01-04 13:13 ` Rich Freeman
2012-01-04 13:23 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2012-01-06 17:50 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-06 18:25 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 18:41 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-06 19:05 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-06 19:21 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-12 15:29 ` Ralph Sennhauser
2012-01-12 16:06 ` Alec Warner
2012-01-07 1:08 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-07 19:01 ` Enrico Weigelt
2012-01-08 11:48 ` Walter Dnes
2012-01-08 22:58 ` Michael Weber
2012-01-09 7:20 ` Zac Medico
2012-01-09 8:22 ` Michał Górny
2012-01-09 10:30 ` Alec Warner
2012-02-04 16:31 ` Alexey Shvetsov
2012-02-04 17:27 ` Rich Freeman
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