* [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild [not found] <20111212174448.F09FC2004B@flycatcher.gentoo.org> @ 2011-12-16 20:33 ` Markos Chandras 2011-12-17 8:32 ` Ciaran McCreesh [not found] ` <CA+NrkpcuKrmKV3ySvc3_TwWVvD6Y6D78O1K6hBXCcx65s1SVTw@mail.gmail.com> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Markos Chandras @ 2011-12-16 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev, scarabeus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 12/12/2011 05:44 PM, Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) wrote: > scarabeus 11/12/12 17:44:48 > > Modified: ChangeLog Added: > libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild Removed: > libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild Log: Remove miss-named beta0. Add beta1 > with better name (presented as downgrade). > > (Portage version: 2.2.0_alpha80/cvs/Linux x86_64, RepoMan options: > --force) > > Revision Changes Path 1.216 > app-office/libreoffice/ChangeLog > I know it is a bit late but do you think that commit made sense at that time? It is not the best user experience we can provide when beta releases appear as downgrades. FWIW beta releases should remain masked to avoid useless compilations to slow machines instead of digging through Changelogs to see what happened. Are the beta releases of libreoffice so critical that force you to keep them in the ~testing tree? - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJO66sGAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCSH0QAIKc26at3BPsEauv1Wk/6hir lfrFv0BEDgIUHwi4vFQT6xUTCYpC83Ed2wTXG7wHj2HVh2pIqnRPitvOwKYL6b7/ HCRnGo8jm8Hg906nJEPPCDJxAL34U4qaO4Lt2+cTU5g1ifxYsG8FP97gp2O18OmV CQBkacsjtpwngrZkTjonD+eeHjzoXMOXP9MWdkBwBWAEhqkkHDYjGfXKZ5byhD1j FdkKCkmKKVaCFdxbsRfMxnNEhkxQFbvmejmXKi6nrpnkWWz9c+CAm6A9btLx8FOU qop7UTRMVptMJGOWqgMV+FI/TB1Rfl/yBiq40D1FAdAcA3SdmqP3zI6Ee5PakBBo 5o49nv/DUgkv53VH1T5THyixQAv+Fcsv7caCPc91HSMPgC8YvyKwXRuks+WyFcNp UApstSl5ESOxOl2VUeUebKEbQmHgRZduSqzauFrGGHI+dUSPhFgvAuS8JZuAbadF XV5S/Pca8HUIYKf1jMfgDRwMXXnO7cNYm6HyIoYPmXaicfxAry0Bomd8HC4ZAfET 0FC9Ushx1kI4SeWp7TxXc0mtreOhtj7GkiUQf5RWpa0TNikSC5Qz21Xt3HX56YL/ MBhyrCNkb8s0YZeeNLxnQFnrANuJqGRRVPtGpCaS0lKe2MVekjBFQWXZGuWcaiFC qXK+RAqBEGam86hw2Keh =+H4t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild 2011-12-16 20:33 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild Markos Chandras @ 2011-12-17 8:32 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2011-12-17 10:47 ` Markos Chandras [not found] ` <CA+NrkpcuKrmKV3ySvc3_TwWVvD6Y6D78O1K6hBXCcx65s1SVTw@mail.gmail.com> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Ciaran McCreesh @ 2011-12-17 8:32 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000 Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote: > to avoid useless compilations to slow machines That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue. - -- Ciaran McCreesh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7sU48ACgkQ96zL6DUtXhExOgCdHwpjWr66+2gDSG73SQRtWmf8 ns0AoMvVKfl2s1pRGkvLt2DOG6p5xkTU =VfxU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild 2011-12-17 8:32 ` Ciaran McCreesh @ 2011-12-17 10:47 ` Markos Chandras 2011-12-17 12:02 ` Ciaran McCreesh 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Markos Chandras @ 2011-12-17 10:47 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 12/17/2011 08:32 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000 Markos Chandras > <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote: >> to avoid useless compilations to slow machines > > That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue. > How come? The package appears to have a lower version compared to the previous one so the package manager treats it as a downgrade - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJO7HNTAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCqjIP/0NtJoKytmzuAYrcZU7oyN5G 6ty3JIEg5AcAgLHBnomMMVBriwgpfV++lRNreTTcZ/covBUC0qYCKNeu0/xISZi6 03ih03vj8fTemuC0EFV6utYN/W7QgwH8GTwPXWhUr+REP9N6mKP9jieeNShXJVRE xx4J4L+Uwqm3DIPz0U/uVyaAFWoTG2nofNGpHeMoEqJWSJqogOejwTuoXwuleiN6 xzCzlwGIh+ZnPp+pgJrVMg4Xh5ZvAx5yYMIkwePv94QDtQPFqfnZRTIOjfqW3G4Z lqVUl64Y9NbW47+UiTpiSxkhDLFVN2QEivxvMWoAe8mPZHVb7KeTkHEQTFM9yCiw +lr5jDzk+qegtmGCzc+StTR6agHGUaCKpK1mr84xnxYE65Ee41eEyEWkt/U8qdjA nHoQHQwvLSQuA2FpE6fW8dtAXcYtHjRYMOg8pNRneeen9J+QX5ydGYgGCe1FRdYb 7TSboR23d89a7bVaSaszsqSwk+JuiN0B4Mk3EPkvqYltYwFnxaadHiZSPqaO4aEs 8o6/7++/MU4LciOGj+W+csybROPVjuNja3BDYYBioUVidhDXBfvoRZRcQLveTVHS +4mxpIKyH8DyRC4U68VqXfWVbxshX7qHpvzm1CnoM+cFk3TNS1FAw5FiegT38rTE XdhZnEfK5lz9ZZXlDe7E =Bfv9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild 2011-12-17 10:47 ` Markos Chandras @ 2011-12-17 12:02 ` Ciaran McCreesh 2011-12-17 16:58 ` Zac Medico 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Ciaran McCreesh @ 2011-12-17 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:47:47 +0000 Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 12/17/2011 08:32 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000 Markos Chandras > > <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> to avoid useless compilations to slow machines > > > > That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue. > > > How come? The package appears to have a lower version compared to the > previous one so the package manager treats it as a downgrade No, the issue that you think there's such a thing as a "useless compilation". Your package manager should provide you with an easy way of saying "I don't care about this package this time when I'm updating world, so exclude it if possible". - -- Ciaran McCreesh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk7shMsACgkQ96zL6DUtXhHcUQCeJ7GKQwkCBfOZwZ303PpoU5DZ KNIAnReiJXKnMlXVJuThjL5+T4OJd8q5 =P9Bg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild 2011-12-17 12:02 ` Ciaran McCreesh @ 2011-12-17 16:58 ` Zac Medico 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Zac Medico @ 2011-12-17 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev On 12/17/2011 04:02 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:47:47 +0000 > Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote: >> On 12/17/2011 08:32 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >>> On Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:33:11 +0000 Markos Chandras >>> <hwoarang@gentoo.org> wrote: >>>> to avoid useless compilations to slow machines >>> >>> That's a package manager issue, not an ebuild issue. >>> >> How come? The package appears to have a lower version compared to the >> previous one so the package manager treats it as a downgrade > > No, the issue that you think there's such a thing as a "useless > compilation". Your package manager should provide you with an easy way > of saying "I don't care about this package this time when I'm updating > world, so exclude it if possible". With emerge there are currently at least two possible ways to accomplish this: 1) Put the package in /etc/portage/package.mask (it will trigger warnings about the installed package being masked though) 2) Use the emerge --exclude option. If those don't fit well enough, we can add yet another way to do it. -- Thanks, Zac ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild [not found] ` <CA+NrkpcuKrmKV3ySvc3_TwWVvD6Y6D78O1K6hBXCcx65s1SVTw@mail.gmail.com> @ 2011-12-17 9:56 ` Markos Chandras 2011-12-17 10:27 ` Pacho Ramos 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Markos Chandras @ 2011-12-17 9:56 UTC (permalink / raw To: Tomáš Chvátal; +Cc: gentoo-dev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 12/17/2011 09:34 AM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote: > 2011/12/16 Markos Chandras <hwoarang@gentoo.org>: >> On 12/12/2011 05:44 PM, Tomas Chvatal (scarabeus) wrote: >>> scarabeus 11/12/12 17:44:48 >>> >>> Modified: ChangeLog Added: >>> libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild Removed: libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild >>> Log: Remove miss-named beta0. Add beta1 with better name >>> (presented as downgrade). >>> >>> (Portage version: 2.2.0_alpha80/cvs/Linux x86_64, RepoMan >>> options: --force) >>> >>> Revision Changes Path 1.216 >>> app-office/libreoffice/ChangeLog >>> >> I know it is a bit late but do you think that commit made sense >> at that time? It is not the best user experience we can provide >> when beta releases appear as downgrades. FWIW beta releases >> should remain masked to avoid useless compilations to slow >> machines instead of digging through Changelogs to see what >> happened. Are the beta releases of libreoffice so critical that >> force you to keep them in the ~testing tree? >> > They should be stable enough plus it helps a lot to catch all the > bugs. Most of those Gentooers reported are being fixed and I think > it is better to test it during the beta cycle rather than start > messing with it after final release. > > So if you don't want those ebuild in main tree just tell me so and > I can add only the releases (but then I won't care about the bugs > much as I do this fixes as part of the upstream QA and don't use > Gentoo [no worries I compile/runtime test it in the dev tinderbox > that has gentoo], so at the point of release I should be focusing > on master branch again). > > Tom > You misunderstood me. I don't object to beta ebuilds but I wonder if testing users want to have them by default. Maybe they should be masked by default and whoever wants the shiny stuff can always unmask them. Anyway not a big deal. I guess I belong to the minority of people who do own a single core PC in 2011 :) - -- Regards, Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJO7GcxAAoJEPqDWhW0r/LCd3oQAMR8gUxPPu+tnPWkOmU5ZedK B7aCy09P2ecV/BvxDBf1wQOWDb19tpfXT15Rm486+pxkDovP0lhr8hbNklfHXbjE fB+2JYvEb5qf/zNePCNRc6LC/KaDurIx+z4RzFBOquoZbJM5Z6c8ya+w2q98YmtD DsB5y1jpq5Fs2eVNjDvmuzDjR0MoMPP1oE9Y0kU4D5ahpH03IdPbyCv/AjR/M3lb MRezGuRI7EQmrnBNdqZIJpUPHaCioxsyvIeVpw9gkprdQPC4olX8ASd90En41kA6 pnxK1+u1WYJKWJyCZrGROIlws8dBa/mKHn+E+SU10j4kLGIi6dYQGOghPC8g+yop 3E4kgDlJZnXTIpnCszrdkgoqWlDNzmToV6c0D6hvc9itG2aE8vwiSKXHQMp1Lxf7 RGF1/gxyojB9ExUhCwWK7jFBPqhrYb88CpU5fvLRGR8VQ5zq1pM3F5yNoPg4qYdD U7tUdwm6UPNc9p3QfLSW93FSV4MAEzXhOuj0Kmt9AMr0n+boKyzycm44wm1R31NM hXoX7bhxP4r2UPRXUJBO+3FGdcxrH4YkcZ3A5yXEV/LwkgtSKsJRzyA5/VQFZCkw Tt5wvXqRrjW51fVfeY3SU8q/Y0W1pu46Dd1C3Vc3jR1xW8uUegVVJNizmOdOC70y O7p/tIdyadV9aOjsSKUs =oIMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in app-office/libreoffice: ChangeLog libreoffice-3.4.99.1.ebuild libreoffice-3.5.0.0.ebuild 2011-12-17 9:56 ` Markos Chandras @ 2011-12-17 10:27 ` Pacho Ramos 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Pacho Ramos @ 2011-12-17 10:27 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: Tomáš Chvátal [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 308 bytes --] El sáb, 17-12-2011 a las 09:56 +0000, Markos Chandras escribió: [...] > I guess I belong to the minority of > people who do own a single core PC in 2011 :) > > - -- > Regards, > Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 I still maintain a Pentium 4 HT and an Athlon 3200+ ;) [-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 198 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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