From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RPZkb-0003ZW-9n for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:05:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 58EE521C094; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A230121C05E for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (abtk108.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.8.156.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: aidecoe) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5790A1B4009; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:04:56 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?q?Amadeusz_=C5=BBo=C5=82nowski?= To: Thomas Sachau Cc: gentoo-dev In-reply-to: <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] have portage be quiet by default References: <4EB4FA98.3080201@gentoo.org> <4EBD42EE.4060104@gentoo.org> <4EBEF208.5060500@gentoo.org> <201111121840.16686.vapier@gentoo.org> <4EBFBA75.3030500@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:04:49 +0100 Message-Id: <1321188262-sup-4513@raeviah> User-Agent: Sup/git Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-1321189489-654978-683-2892-1-=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: fe340942-c466-4064-b567-33f7f935e424 X-Archives-Hash: f289e0038a3ff0d583d5c24f6fb897f2 --=-1321189489-654978-683-2892-1-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excerpts from Thomas Sachau's message of 2011-11-13 13:39:17 +0100: > This can be argued from either side, if the default is verbose, you > can make it quiet in the default emerge opts and the other way round. > So this is no argument for or against default quiet build in my eyes. Not every user studies manpages of every program they use. Making --quiet-build=3Dy default is a *benefit* for people who don't care much. If somebody cares about the output probably will care to read the manpage how to make it verbose. How many emerge users know that option? > As already said, it is nice to see, where a build hangs, when some > specific task does take longer and until now, it was easy to see, just > watch the output. With the new default, you cannot say, what it does, > where it may be or if there are many things or just one line taking > much time. And you additionally have to go to the build.log manually > to actually see something. Build output tells almost nothing about the progress (except of cmake). Many packages compile in few minutes on average machine. I hardly ever experience hangs and if - it's usually for boost. For those few packages it's no harm to check build.log. But --quiet-build=3Dy actually gives more useful and handy info: what is a total progress. Which user cares about which module is actually being compiled? He/she cares more which package out of total is being compiled at the moment. > In addition, it is also nice to just a quick look into the console to > see, what and where it failed. When it fails, it prints tail of build.log. -- = Amadeusz =C5=BBo=C5=82nowski --=-1321189489-654978-683-2892-1-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOv8BxAAoJEPATRTHh2/q1EUgH/jrXWkRy/DRt2QgnfrgYCr0c JLwfzb+oc56RgAW66tdvlmbdT895Ban3Dd10EJT8jJBB7TNr/jxEPXDrfMnXr5Qe 5H8FeM4Sy2bPVPfEBmziM00jKCLVKyPTseHyoNZJNoNO5WCcgcNL+rjMavwJP5jl 3t/vOcsOlDFGJ1ilgtPiqQDjAOQHUdcVNQ4i5SSj4UzSJQW+xEldsqH2y/6N5Nik QCck6rQb2hkGhaOBQk5fCSJp7VGPq+Pp5e8lGEfIXwayiDqULZi7YJ8w1INxaVjU MlD9OBhBnGdXng+dXD7FW4CgMxc+VSluGLfJY6gPwoMCMDHNyS7i+tDGBcbaVM8= =00BV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-1321189489-654978-683-2892-1-=--