From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PmlzY-0004Wj-VT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:44:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65966E089E; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CD7E05BE for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.142] (helo=NeddySeagoon) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Pmlyt-0008OP-Lv for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:43:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 11:43:33 +0000 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] avoiding urgent stabilizations To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20110207205059.GA10939@bookie> (from hwoarang@gentoo.org on Mon Feb 7 20:50:59 2011) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.8 Message-Id: <1297165414.2669.1@NeddySeagoon> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="=-IIEMDmpllbPq8l98fUr8" X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [62.3.120.142] X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 6acf7b1f53ea77c5ce3c86efe9d7690d --=-IIEMDmpllbPq8l98fUr8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2011.02.07 20:50, Markos Chandras wrote: [snip] > My suggestion, as I said to fosdem, is to freeze, or take a > snapshot if you like, of the current tree, stabilize what you need to > stabilize, test the whole tree ( at least compile wise ) for a couple > of weeks and then replace the existing stable tree. Of course this > requires automated script testing, hardware facilities etc etc that=20 > we don't have so claiming that stable tree is "stable" is quite=20 > wrong. >=20 > Regards, > --=20 > Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2 >=20 Markos, This is exactly what releng used to do for installer CDs. This was=20 last used for 2008.0 CD/DVD. A snapshot of the stable tree was taken in=20 February 200.8 and the release hit the mirrors in September. The seven month test/fix/retest that it took meant that the CD would=20 not boot on new hardware as the kernel lacked drivers. You will find similar lags when releng used this approach for other=20 earlier releases. We would need to move to a release cycle like the kernel. Calling a=20 feature freeze at the start of the test cycle. As we can't everything,=20 we might as well distribute binaries of what was tested - just as=20 releng used to do.=20 To me thats not Gentoo as we would loose the rolling updates. =20 There are degrees of stable. I believe most Gentoo users=20 realise this fairly early on and stick with Gentoo because they like=20 the balance it strikes between Debian stable and bleeding edge. There is a price to pay for being more up to date and it a trade off=20 Gentoo users are aware off. Of course, that does not prevent them=20 bringing breakages to our attention.=20 --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods trustees = --=-IIEMDmpllbPq8l98fUr8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk1RLGYACgkQTE4/y7nJvavc1QCgoJzFu5Eh/761BRERcCZsjH7L RkQAn1fbTlDFk/aHyyjO7US7OTbOcozD =QB2+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IIEMDmpllbPq8l98fUr8--