From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EdPUG-000596-7Y for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:58:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAJ9vgfd022858; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:57:42 GMT Received: from smtp.top-hosting.cz (gw.top-hosting.cz [81.0.254.91]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAJ9tuH5010912 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:55:58 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.top-hosting.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CBC8AA4B6 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:55:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.top-hosting.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.top-hosting.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29716-09-3 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:55:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from NOTORCOMP (21.217.broadband4.iol.cz [85.71.217.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.top-hosting.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F477F8BAD for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:55:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:55:45 +0100 From: Jakub Moc X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <128535107.20051119105545@gentoo.org> To: Thierry Carrez Subject: Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] Email subdomain In-Reply-To: <437EF0EB.3030109@gentoo.org> References: <1132333748.8524.9.camel@localhost> <20051119003803.GD12958@dst.grantgoodyear.org> <1044169158.20051119031533@gentoo.org> <200511191334.10158.cshields@gentoo.org> <437EF0EB.3030109@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="----------871B41D24BAEEA5" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.3 (20050822) at top-hosting.cz X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.379 tagged_above=-999 required=6 tests=[SPF_NEUTRAL=1.379] X-Spam-Score: 1.379 X-Spam-Level: * X-Archives-Salt: b94a6725-4bad-4ddc-86ce-68a75bcad42e X-Archives-Hash: 1c41021a4f78b069d3b48d1d766e9430 ------------871B41D24BAEEA5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A19.11.2005, 10:31:23, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Corey Shields wrote: >>>Before deciding on such proposals, it might be also wise to consult infra >>>people who'll have to implement and maintain such things, IMHO. And, how >>>exactly will be people having multiple roles handled here - still missin= g a >>>clear answer... >>=20 >> Jakub++ Nobody in infra is on board with this idea, so you will be hard= =20 >> pressed to find someone willing to implement it. > What I find disturbing here is that nobody found the issue interesting > enough to read the October Council decisions as to what was needed to be > changed for the GLEP to be approved. But when, one month later, those > requirements have been met and the GLEP approved, lots of people > discover that the issue is interesting and complain about it (when it's > a little too late to be changed). Erm, what exactly could have been discussed, the revised GLEP being submitt= ed about a day before the council meeting? Are you expecting people to hang on email 24/7? > I'm losing faith in Gentoo. When the GLEP was first discussed, the > general mood was that we shouldn't give ATs the same powers than we give > to devs (in particular, no right to vote for the Council), and in > consequence a need to tell them apart. The Council rejected the proposed > GLEP in that sense. Now, the mood is like the Council want to yellowstar > some part of our contributors... and the discussion happen on the same li= st. > You can't just ignore the discussion and the iterim decisions and > complain afterwards when the decision is taken. I've already mentioned that I don't oppose to AT concept and making them official Gentoo stuff (and a couple of people did that as well), but drawing the distinction around an email address, resulting in troubles for infrastructure and hassle for users/other devs has not been properly consid= ered apparently; still waiting for someone to show a single benefit of such an arrangement. Email address is a means of communication with people, not a *power*. If anyone's interested in/does care for what's the exact role of that particul= ar person in Gentoo, that's what roll-call is for. AT or not, any person w/ @gentoo.org email address is representing Gentoo, users don't care what's t= he difference between ATs, forums staff and full devs and I don't see why exac= tly they should even care. Users also don't care if someone has CVS commit priv= s or voting rights. These are internal Gentoo things, email address is not playi= ng any role in that. Now, we might we perhaps move the focus to more important issues jstubbs mentioned in his last email, expecting that any implementation of the now approved GLEP wrt the email addresses won't be pushed in a similar way the whole revised GLEP has been, until infra issues and usefulness of this are sorted out/reconsidered at least. --=20 jakub ------------871B41D24BAEEA5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDfvahhxfV/c66PZ4RAqMyAKCCHkaQiLlKi+Zb6+NDVCCN3G9pXwCfbARk 09V65m/+owd71JxvKE3SVq4= =3/pP -----END PGP MESSAGE----- ------------871B41D24BAEEA5-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list