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From: Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo
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On 2010.06.16 23:33, Sebastian Pipping wrote:
> Roy,
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> On 06/16/10 21:40, Roy Bamford wrote:
> > As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as
> terse=20
> > and to the point, completely lacking in tone.
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> interesting. Looking at the sentence
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> "When did you point this out to devrel?"
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> I would like to say that while it's not impolite per se it's
> implicitly
> saying "You _have to_ point this out to dev rel" in my ears. A more
> or
> less word-by-word translation to German ("Wann hast du das gegen=FCber
> DevRel angesprochen?") would make perfect sense and carry the same
> problem so I assume it's not an English language thing. In contrast
> asking
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> "Have you pointed this out to DevRel? What was their reaction?"
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> does not seem to have this mis-hearing problem, at least not to me.
>
Hmm - thats interesting, I subconsciously read the two questions into=20
the one posted. I accept you point. Its something I am likely to write=20
myself without thinking about it too much too. =20
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> I remember a guy of the German Unix User Group (GUUG) saying=20
> something
> like
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> "Communication is always oriented at the receiver".
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Communication is a two way process. On other more immediate
media, that's reinforced as the "receiver" often asks questions to=20
clarify the intent of the communication. That does not seem to happen=20
as much in email so misunderstandings are more frequent and more=20
damaging as they take longer to resolve.
> Applying that to tone and avoiding mis-interpretation the sender has
> the
> power (and arguably the responsiblity) to sounds as friendly as=20
> needed
> to be sure it will not be understood as unfriendly. In a way there's
> always a way to be friendlier - _without_ faking anything.
>
Hmm - its quite possible to give offence without intending to. The=20
receiver also has the power and responsibility to clarify the intent of=20
the communication before concluding that it was intended in any=20
particular manner.=20
> Best,
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> Sebastian
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Regards,
Roy Bamford
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