From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OOylf-0001bx-2W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:59:23 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B1C6E0D3B; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fizeau.zen.co.uk (queue01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.234]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FB4E0D2C for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.23.3.142] (helo=smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk) by fizeau.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OOyVD-00028v-Jx for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:42:23 +0000 Received: from [62.3.120.141] (helo=NeddySeagoon) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OOyTa-000078-Pm for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:40:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:40:42 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: (from realnc@arcor.de on Wed Jun 16 16:36:31 2010) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.7 Message-Id: <1276717242.2326.0@NeddySeagoon> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [62.3.120.141] X-Archives-Salt: 878641e1-6405-45e3-b4e3-95e109c99607 X-Archives-Hash: 998208e97ab5140adad6f27735967f7b On 2010.06.16 16:36, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 06/16/2010 08:43 AM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:33:27 +0200 > > Sebastian Pipping wrote: > > > >> Tone is currently not a strength of Gentoo. > >> > >> As I have heard there are people not joining Gentoo because the > >> atmosphere in Gentoo is lacking respect and empathy. > > > > That's a conclusion first, then a premise? > > > >> I have searched a few places for rules on tone, looking at the > Gentoo > >> Social Contract [1], the Code of Conduct [2] and the Philosophy of > >> Gentoo [3]. In a way the Code of Conduct defines what good and=20 > bad > >> behavior is. The term "Acceptable behaviour" may make sense as a > >> counterpart to "Unacceptable behaviour" but feels like "what you > can > >> get away with" to me anyhow. > > > >> - How come tone is so rough when we actually meant to be > >> a friendly community? Has it always been that way? > > > > What are you referring to? forums.g.o? bugs.g.o? #gentoo? Who, > where, > > when, what channel, thread? [snip] >=20 Nikos, As a native English speaker (from England) I view Jers reply as terse=20 and to the point, completely lacking in tone. As Alec has already pointed out, it asks questions that need to be=20 asked to advance the discussion. To add my opinion to the reasons for the tone in gentoo communication=20 channels (all of them) ... 1. Many posters are using a language that they are less than fluent in. 2. There are so many ways to say the same thing in English, its easy to=20 be misunderstood. Take into account point 1 here. 3. Most contraversially, many of our developers are young and still=20 have to develop the social skills that only come with experience. Keep=20 in mind points 1 and 2.=20 Read age in place of experience if you like but that's not a=20 politically correct statement, which is I suppose another issue. --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods trustees