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From: Roy Bamford <neddyseagoon@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 21:48:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1270414105.3141.1@NeddySeagoon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1270306756.18734.39.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> (from dertobi123@gentoo.org on Sat Apr  3 15:59:16 2010)

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On 2010.04.03 15:59, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 15:40 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford:
> > First, we need some metrics - the first step to controlling 
> anything
> is 
> > to measure it.
> 
> So, how do you want to measure those metrics? I for one can't think 
> of a useful algorithm which helps to identify understaffed or 
> orphaned areas.
> Sure, one might take a look at the number of packages compared with
> open
> bugs for example - but in the end that still won't give you some
> useful
> metrics.

It doesn't much matter what we measure as long as it related to what we 
want to control and that we do not change the metric. That way the 
metrics remain useful.

Open bugs per package and mean age of bugs per package come to mind.
Such per package metrics can be aggregated per herd, per project, the 
whole of Gentoo or whatever.

A reducing mean age of bugs and open bugs shows we are moving in the 
right direction.

I'm sure many other metrics are possible.


> 
> If someone has a feeling somewhere helping hands are missing or an
> area
> is orphaned - that's the best "metrics" we can get.

Feelings?
The problem with feelings is that they keep changing
 
Let me remind you of this Carl Sagan quote ...

I'm often asked the question, "Do you think there is extraterrestrial 
intelligence?" I give the standard arguments -- there are a lot of 
places out there, and use the word *billions*, and so on. And then I 
say it would be astonishing to me if there weren't extraterrestrial 
intelligence, but of course there is as yet no compelling evidence for 
it. And then I'm asked, "Yeah, but what do you really think?" I say, "I 
just told you what I really think." "Yeah, but what's your gut 
feeling?" But I try not to think with my gut. Really, it's okay to 
reserve judgment until the evidence is in. - Carl Sagan, The Burden Of 
Skepticism, The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. 12, Fall 87 

The important bit being "it's okay to reserve judgment until the 
evidence is in".


> 
> - Tobias
> 
> -- 
> Praxisbuch Nagios
> http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/pbnagiosger/
> 
> https://www.xing.com/profile/Tobias_Scherbaum
> 

-- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) a member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
trustees


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-04 20:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-03  9:16 [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying? Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-03  9:26 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-04-03 10:12   ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-03 11:36   ` hardened-sources development (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying?) Thomas Sachau
2010-04-03  9:37 ` [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying? Brian Harring
2010-04-03 10:10   ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-03  9:38 ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-03 19:12   ` Jacob Godserv
2010-04-03  9:40 ` Robin H. Johnson
2010-04-03  9:46   ` Robin H. Johnson
2010-04-03  9:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo a Phoenix? Patrick Lauer
2010-04-03 10:19   ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-03 11:33     ` Richard Freeman
2010-04-03 11:50       ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-04 18:09       ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-04-05 15:33         ` Richard Freeman
2010-04-05 17:21           ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-04-04 20:19       ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-04-05  4:24         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-04-03 12:40     ` [gentoo-dev] " Magnus Granberg
2010-04-03 12:18   ` [gentoo-dev][Gentoo Phoenix] " Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 14:40 ` [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying? Roy Bamford
2010-04-03 14:59   ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-03 16:03     ` Alec Warner
2010-04-03 16:24       ` Matti Bickel
2010-04-03 23:52       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04 20:48     ` Roy Bamford [this message]
2010-04-06  6:24       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04  1:48 ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-04  2:40   ` Alec Warner
2010-04-04  4:50     ` Dale
2010-04-05  0:28       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-04-04  8:22   ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-04 10:07     ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-04  8:25   ` Petteri Räty
2010-04-04  8:44   ` Patrick Lauer
2010-04-04  9:56     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-04-04 10:21       ` George Prowse

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