From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NxzTD-00047p-Oi for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:16:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D50C9E0AC1; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.libexec.de (guenther.libexec.de [85.214.114.28]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47CAE0AB3 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (guenther.libexec.de [127.0.0.1]) by mail.libexec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D5E2C701A5 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:16:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at libexec.de Received: from mail.libexec.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (guenther.libexec.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fBe8kv-yZf6a for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.60] (p508AF9AD.dip.t-dialin.net [80.138.249.173]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: tobias) by mail.libexec.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFACB2C70073 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:16:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying? From: Tobias Scherbaum To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-dy2A3R7wqAyACfwagUsM" Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:16:32 +0200 Message-ID: <1270286192.18734.3.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.0.1 X-Archives-Salt: 64e8d44d-66b7-4173-88c8-dd7035d5ff16 X-Archives-Hash: bc884b5ec61a159a6c15323b2a67965c --=-dy2A3R7wqAyACfwagUsM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hell no, but ... We have lots of quite understaffed areas, to sum up in a positive way. Summing it up the negative way one might say, we have lots of areas were users might get the idea Gentoo already is dead. For example: - hardened-sources are nowadays only available in an experimental overlay, lots of users keep asking what's happening to the hardened-sources on both the -dev but also the -hardened mailinglist. Yeah, we do have people working on hardened stuff, but if people just take what's happening in the portage tree they might think that the hardened stuff they're relying on for their business isn't supported any longer.=20 - Our formerly outstanding documentation still is somewhat maintained, but that's it. I haven't seen any new additions (both to our docs, but also to our docs-team) for years. People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki, but ...=20 - Infra: One might get the idea our Infra team is just Robin (yeah, sure there are more people, but ....) ... things are happening slowly (no offend - I fully understand that those few can't dedicate more of their spare time to infra work!), take overlays.g.o migration, Bugzie-3 migration and so on as an example. - Understaffed herds: For example net-mail, netmon and others - were missing lots of developers and their support in lots of areas. Sadly those areas are mostly those ones, one might need packages for their business servers from. - Website redesign - we had a contest some years ago, got a winner, someone started to adapt the design and somewhat that project fall asleep. - Speaking of our website, PR ... guess there's nothing more to add.=20 So - what to do now? To be honest - I have no real clue. But a first step might be to collect your opinions on where we do lack manpower and ideas on how to solve this problems. A Wiki might be fitting well for that task *cough*. A next step might be to discuss every identified problem and discuss our options and ideas how to improve the situation.=20 - Tobias --=20 Praxisbuch Nagios http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/pbnagiosger/ https://www.xing.com/profile/Tobias_Scherbaum --=-dy2A3R7wqAyACfwagUsM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAku3B3AACgkQX2bdwDDA8AUQsACfYCML82ORHjUAbUbN9Bg4Z5tI PRsAoIsyyWa5mvBF7FSiejEoIRgL/IAW =eHXM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-dy2A3R7wqAyACfwagUsM--