From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nurt9-0002T7-Pg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:34:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF837E0918; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC30E0903 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.141] (helo=NeddySeagoon) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nurt1-0000Ut-GH for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:34:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:34:24 +0000 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20100324211255.GA23676@linux1> (from williamh@gentoo.org on Wed Mar 24 21:12:55 2010) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.1 Message-Id: <1269542070.3165.0@NeddySeagoon> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="=-emC0BZyQ8Hi8Ms3i3kWD" X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [62.3.120.141] X-Archives-Salt: 5c592cbc-21f9-47ae-b915-4f8914957b19 X-Archives-Hash: 97cdce31f5c7fdb7d2676116f81e94f1 --=-emC0BZyQ8Hi8Ms3i3kWD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2010.03.24 21:12, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > > On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > > If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used > as the > > > default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it,=20 > we > have > > > done our job imho. =A0In other words, this is just a matter of > informing > > > users. > >=20 > > We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our > > Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this reasonable request. > =20 > On the other hand, I can see his point as well. The news item makes > it > very clear that python-3 cannot be the default python and that > python-2 > needs to be installed. >=20 > It could be argued that he is just assuming that users are=20 > intelligent > enough to figure out that they need to mask python-3 if they > do not want it on their systems. >=20 > Basically this is a case of "how much hand-holding do we want to do"? >=20 > William >=20 >=20 The case where Python-3 cannot be used as the default Python is=20 transitory (it may be a long time). Should we advise users of stable to=20 mask it, we will get a lot of pleas for help when Python-3 is required=20 because many users will have forgotten all about package.mask In my view, its better to avoid these future unmasking issues as stable=20 users tend to be very wary of unmasking things and let them have=20 Python-3 unless they are already comfortable with the contents of /etc/ portage ... in which case they are not using stable anyway.=20 =20 --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (Neddyseagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods trustees --=-emC0BZyQ8Hi8Ms3i3kWD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkurrLYACgkQTE4/y7nJvathWACg0kHmX8rG3SbucihnpgrSt2qM IoMAoLz5Rk0yUUAwIsmMrPeWJ47aOGCe =T40p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-emC0BZyQ8Hi8Ms3i3kWD--