[gentoo-dev] Re: A Little Council Reform Anyone?

[Ned Ludd <solar@gentoo.org>]

On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 22:14 +0200, Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> in general you speak about the council but do you have any concrete
> plans/goals you want to achieve?

I think we are in the information gathering phase right now on how to
best proceed. So nothing concrete as of this point. More abstract ideas
at this point.

> Ned Ludd <solar@gentoo.org>:
> > The dev population is quite a strange beast. I never expected to win. 
> 
>  Nor did I, especially because you were quite low on my ballot.
> Congratulations.
> 
> > The devs have a voice one time of the year: when it comes time to
> > vote. But what about the rest of the year? What happens when the
> > person you voted for sucks? You are mostly powerless to do anything
> > other than be really vocal in what seems like a never ending battle.
> > That needs to change. I'm not quite sure how. But I'd like to see the
> > dev body have a year-round voice in the council. Either via quick
> > votes year-round on topics or simply by having discussion in the
> > channel. Devs should have a right to voice their concerns to the
> > council and engage in interactive conversations without being labeled
> > troll.
> 
>  We have the forums for quick votes, votify is too much to get a
> picture of opinions.  So use -dev-announce and forums.
> 
> > Another one of the things I'd like to see and help reform with the
> > council. First off it spends way too much time on EAPI/PMS. There is
> > no reason to make the council an extension of the portage team.
> 
>  As member of the PMS team I agree, we have to reach out to more
> people.  No matter how well Ciaran does the job as editor-in-chief
> the process needs to be broadened to involve other groups, too.
> 
> > For example prefix comes to mind. It was a project I did not like at
> > first. I'm not even a user. And there are things I surely don't like
> > about it as is. But there is community support and it's the icing on
> > the cake for some. So I'll back the fsck up and give credit where
> > it's due. This is a perfectly good example of a project/fork that
> > needs to come back home. Perhaps it's time to cherry pick some more
> > stuff/people out of Sunrise?
> 
>  Fully agree here, my devhood is a product of Sunrise.
>  
> > desultory points out any two council members can decide to approve
> > anything, and that decision is considered to be equivalent to a full
> > council vote until the next meeting. I vaguely recall that rule. I'm
> > not sure about you, but I think that is a little to much power to put
> > in the hands of a few. Any dev mind if we dump that power?
> 
>  Maybe extend that to three, but leave such a emergency measure in
> place. 
> 
> > Meetings will likely go back to one time per month and be +m with +v
> > be handed out per request with open chat pre/post meetings.  The
> > reason for this is to keep the meetings on-track. I won't engage in
> > endless discussions. Facts can be presented. They will be reviewed on
> > merit, technical and social.
> 
>  Agree.
>  
> > The reason the meetings should go back to monthly is to allow those
> > who are council members in Gentoo to accomplish things other than the
> > council only. We all have personal lives and we all have our
> > respective roles we play outside of the council. Another note on
> > meetings. The time they are held currently don't fit well with my
> > work schedule.
> 
>  That you have to discuss with your fellow council members.
> 
> > So lets have some damn fun again !@#$ 
> 
>  Oh yeah!
> 
> V-Li



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Ned Ludd <solar@gentoo.org>
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