From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MKwUF-0002my-4P for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:40:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52D73E06A5; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15709E06A5 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.3.120.141] (helo=NeddySeagoon) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MKwUB-0002zT-Ab for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:40:07 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:40:00 +0100 From: Roy Bamford Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1246179604.19613.155.camel@localhost> (from dev-zero@gentoo.org on Sun Jun 28 10:00:04 2009) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.4.0 Message-Id: <1246203606.3656.1@NeddySeagoon> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [62.3.120.141] X-Archives-Salt: 30d5eccc-9156-4d5c-88e2-4a5c41a6ffd3 X-Archives-Hash: 14fe9ca755effe4be81569c9ac894c18 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2009.06.28 10:00, Tiziano M=FCller wrote: > Am Freitag, den 26.06.2009, 07:15 -0600 schrieb Denis Dupeyron: > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Ben de Groot > wrote: > > > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been > booted > > > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes > > > disqualify the involved council member from functioning in that > position. > >=20 > > As Petteri noted it's not obvious that GLEP39 disallows choosing a > > non-dev as proxy for a council meeting. I haven't talked to=20 > Tiziano, > > and I don't know what he had in mind when he chose ciaranm as his > > proxy, but I'd be ready to believe part of it was that he wanted to > > experiment. > Well, it was surely not an experiment to see whether someone must be=20 > a > dev or not to be a proxy. Based on GLEP 39 it was fairly clear to me > this must not be the case and I at least expected the council to > accept > him (or any other non-dev) at least for that meeting. >=20 [snip] > --=20 > Tiziano M=FCller > Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member > Areas of responsibility: > Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor > E-Mail : dev-zero@gentoo.org > GnuPG FP : F327 283A E769 2E36 18D5 4DE2 1B05 6A63 AE9C 1E30 >=20 Its my opinion that the concept of proxies in council meetings is=20 fatally flawed. =20 1. The brief (if any) that the proxy is given by the council member=20 being proxied is never made public.=20 2. Its never clear if the proxy is voting as instructed by the council=20 member or as they see fit at the time. What if an entire meeting and therefore any votes were staffed by=20 entirely by non gentoo developer proxies? Unlikely, but perfectly possible under GLEP39. Would Gentoo feel bound=20 by decisions that such a meeting reached? Oh. Don't talk about 'common sense' GLEP39 does not mention it, so it=20 doesn't count ... and its much rarer than you may think. Lastly, as a trustee and partly legally responsible for decisions made=20 on behalf of Gentoo, I am uneasy with the concept of non developers=20 making those decisions. Now reread my 'what if' above with that=20 liability in mind. Note: Other trustees may have a different view of the world - --=20 Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods treecleaners trustees -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpHjtYACgkQTE4/y7nJvavn9gCgt5tw0IaT8GRdh2w0nY+RskZF H2YAoMgphYWUOp4bVMl8TWp0Qy1nTzjI =3DaR8L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----