From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MKDI7-00068c-6p for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:24:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B16B0E032E; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92085E032E for ; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.213] (74-92-132-138-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.92.132.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5BC65090; Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] 2009 Council Elections From: Ferris McCormick To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <4A44C339.4050303@gentoo.org> References: <200906252100.52295.wk@mailstation.de> <4A44C339.4050303@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-acRnOoYSlcphWvlAXyJH" Organization: gentoo developer Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:23:53 +0000 Message-Id: <1246029833.31661.238.camel@liasis.inforead.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.5 X-Archives-Salt: d90ff725-4f70-4660-ad0f-109d84220904 X-Archives-Hash: 9a69880966acaf7c68e56fe051463f38 --=-acRnOoYSlcphWvlAXyJH Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 14:46 +0200, Ben de Groot wrote: > Wulf C. Krueger wrote: > > I think it would be in the best interest of both Exherbo and Gentoo to = elect=20 > > [...] to the Gentoo Council. >=20 > I would think the only thing that matters is the best interest of > Gentoo. This is after all the _Gentoo_ Council we're speaking of, not a > body that is concerned with non-Gentoo matters. >=20 > > All of them [...] would be ideal candidates to=20 > > get the best of both distros and deepen a cooperation and common unders= tanding=20 > > between both. >=20 > In my opinion it is in the best interest of Gentoo at this point to > ignore Exherbo and to silence those people involved with Exherbo that > have been so divisive and generated so much conflict in Gentoo channels. I think this works only if Gentoo can exist in a vacuum. And in my opinion it can't. An exchange of ideas among projects is good, and for Gentoo I suppose the council is the official driver. To me, that implies that council ignore other projects like Exherbo only to the detriment of Gentoo. (I believe we already have dual developers for Gentoo/Exherbo, but I haven't bothered to verify.) >=20 > > This strengthening bridge of understanding can be seen in dev- > > zero's move to appoint ciaranm as his proxy for today's council meeting= . >=20 > To appoint as proxy for a council meeting someone who has been booted > from Gentoo is a clear lapse of judgement, and would in my eyes > disqualify the involved council member from functioning in that position. >=20 > > While the other candidates certainly have great merits, they tend to on= ly see=20 > > one side and concentrate too much on Gentoo alone. >=20 > I would hope so. The people we elect to the council should concentrate > on Gentoo, otherwise they'd have a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest? How so. And like it or not, as best as I can tell GLEP39 is the ruling document for council, and it does not require council members or proxies to be gentoo developers. It might be reasonable to require they be members of a gentoo project, but as someone (Denis?) explained to me, Gentoo project members need not be developers. Anyone with something useful to contribute should be able to, but only developers should have commit access (actually, the trustees can request limited commit access to any Foundation trustee or officer, I believe). >=20 > Cheers, > Ben Flames not required, Regards, Ferris --=20 Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) --=-acRnOoYSlcphWvlAXyJH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkpE6AkACgkQQa6M3+I///dGOACfS8t6MHFYBEMwXEvS3IxAJveO eeMAoOds6uaK9HLdkgnUNqoOkyv5Ki6L =NW5C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-acRnOoYSlcphWvlAXyJH--