From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-36073-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1M6YqE-0006oD-Vt for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:35:27 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 897C9E0492; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee (smtp-out.neti.ee [194.126.126.44]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394D2E0492 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 19 May 2009 23:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by MXR-5.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DE51EDCE4 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:35:24 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at estpak.ee Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (MXR-5.estpak.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TyVwCjYoHbJ6 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:35:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Relayhost3.neti.ee (relayhost3.estpak.ee [88.196.174.169]) by MXR-5.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCFE1EDCC7 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Wed, 20 May 2009 02:35:21 +0300 (EEST) X-SMTP-Auth-NETI-Businesmail: no Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Project proposal -- maintainer-wanted From: Mart Raudsepp <leio@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1242325462.4014.0@NeddySeagoon> References: <1242325462.4014.0@NeddySeagoon> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ffpAEgvbSQf0+sdnmX9P" Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 02:35:44 +0300 Message-Id: <1242776144.30374.15.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 X-Archives-Salt: 11d83f98-5e68-4004-8eee-350b94e32bd8 X-Archives-Hash: cd214af09ae6b074dc0614449784eefb --=-ffpAEgvbSQf0+sdnmX9P Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2009-05-14 at 19:24 +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > On 2009.05.14 01:32, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > [snip] >=20 > > Project maintainer-wanted > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > >=20 > > Abstract: > > There are currently quite some package requests (over 3000) > > languishing > > on bugzilla waiting for a developer or team to get interested and > > package it in the official gentoo-x86 portage tree. However in quite > > some cases that might not happen for quite a while even with very > > popular packages desired by users. The purpose of the > > maintainer-wanted > > project is to get as many of such packages to the official tree as > > possible as a stopgap solution. > >=20 > [snip] > >=20 > > Discuss! :) > >=20 > > Mart Raudsepp > > Gentoo Developer > > Mail: leio@gentoo.org > > Weblog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/leio > >=20 >=20 > Mart,=20 >=20 > I'm against for many of the reasons AllanJB outlined. There is no point=20 > in adding more unmaintained packages to the tree. Over time, the=20 > average quality of the tree will suffer. I have not proposed adding unmaintained packages to the tree. I have proposed adding packages to the tree that are maintained. The maintainer-wanted team maintains them actively until a specific team is interested in taking over. Based on other replies to the thread, it seems no-one believes that a special team could add only so many packages that they are capable of maintaining in good quality. Also it has been brought up many times that if there is a popular package not yet in the tree, there will be someone to add and maintain it. But that doesn't seem to be the case when looking at existing maintainer-wanted bugs. Also by having a team for this, the whole team is accountable. If a maintainer-wanted ebuild is added by this team, it is done as a team - if the person in the team most interested in it is busy otherwise, the team will still take care of its bugs and quality and bumps. > We could use user contributed ebuilds attached to bugs as a way to=20 > bring Sunrise to the contributors attention just by posting a comment=20 > to the bug. If the contributor follows up, we get another user=20 > maintained ebuild in Sunrise, which is good, as the current developers=20 > don't have to do all the work. We already know some Sunrise=20 > contributors become developers so perhaps we can use this as a way to=20 > attract more contributors (both users and developers). Meanwhile there is no-one to add packages that are wanted by many users to the official tree. This project is meant as a remedy for that. The proposal also lists various ways for actually finding out what packages are the ones most beneficial to have in the official tree - as opposed to unknown quality attachment in bugzilla, sunrise overlay, other overlays or requests in bug entries without an attached ebuild - as to be able to inflict as much good for the distribution as possible, given the teams current capacity. --=20 Mart Raudsepp Gentoo Developer Mail: leio@gentoo.org Weblog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/leio --=-ffpAEgvbSQf0+sdnmX9P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkoTQk8ACgkQkeYb6olFHJc9jACgijimnFJfjSgvUEFIZjUxWSO6 7aoAoP4x2qwOlUdhczMm+/OAkglEursN =HzjK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ffpAEgvbSQf0+sdnmX9P--