From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-35779-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1M4bqv-0006wW-Np for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 14:24:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A291E03E9; Thu, 14 May 2009 14:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee (smtp-out.neti.ee [194.126.126.44]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB344E03E9 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 14 May 2009 14:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by MXR-5.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722501D6EBC for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:24:02 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at estpak.ee Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (MXR-5.estpak.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RdT5PfPHG2tG for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:24:00 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Relayhost3.neti.ee (relayhost3.estpak.ee [88.196.174.169]) by MXR-5.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id B068D1EDCAB for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 14 May 2009 17:24:00 +0300 (EEST) X-SMTP-Auth-NETI-Businesmail: no Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Project proposal -- maintainer-wanted From: Mart Raudsepp <leio@gentoo.org> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200905141402.40992.hwoarang@gentoo.org> References: <1242261133.23088.82.camel@localhost> <200905141402.40992.hwoarang@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-nMOg6pVa1nybM2xYHGKs" Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:23:58 +0300 Message-Id: <1242311038.22615.17.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 X-Archives-Salt: 53d99df1-6d31-401a-8ead-315f065a8806 X-Archives-Hash: 42e720bfa1faa7b627a814f85805a70f --=-nMOg6pVa1nybM2xYHGKs Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On N, 2009-05-14 at 14:02 +0300, Markos Chandras wrote: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 03:32:12 Mart Raudsepp wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have had this project in my mind for a while, so it's about time to > >[..] > I think there is no need for this project. Developers can always browse=20 > bugzilla and pick every 'maintainer-wanted' ebuild they like. At least t= his=20 > is what I do. I am not sure how this project will make things better. In= =20 > order to push something on portage, you need to test it and use it and l= ike=20 > it and taking care of it. Apparently you wont push a package that you don= t=20 > give a s*** :) > So this project will do what each developer is doing individually. Am I t= he=20 > only one who is searching bugzilla for maintainer-wanted packages? o_0 There are various differences with this being a project instead of individual developers picking up a few. I think most are benefits, but some can be perhaps viewed the opposite way as well, hence the thread :) It is a project and hence a team, so there can be multiple developers in the team, all sharing the workload and making sure quality and up-to-dateness is kept. A separate e-mail alias to get bug reports to that any of the team members can attend to, etc. Basically the typical benefits of a team vs individuals The packages are still kept up for grabs for individual packages. Instead of you looking for packages of interest to maintain from bugzilla maintainer-wanted ones, you have an additional place to look at - one that would be more easily browseable and categorized. If you find a package of interest you would like to maintain out of that list, you simply take over maintenance from maintainer-wanted team, as finding a dedicated is exactly the eventual goal and that gets accomplished then. Meanwhile users have the package available earlier. Liking and using the package yourself shouldn't be a prerequisite for a package getting to be in-tree by the maintainer-wanted team. It is hoped that for them the driving factor is making popular packages available to a larger user base that want to use it themselves, so that popular applications that do not have any existing developers at the time finding deep interest in it will not mean indefinite languishing in bugzilla and not being easily available for users (while it probably is for Fedora or Debian or whatever). I'm quite sure we have developers motivated by that around. For example when I discussed this with Samuli a few months ago, I believe he basically said to already do work like this, except making desktop-misc the dumping ground, loosing the benefits that a separate project and alias would give related to both implied (from the maintaining herd name and knowledge of its purpose) and active seeking (through package lists, etc) for dedicated maintainers. --=20 Mart Raudsepp Gentoo Developer Mail: leio@gentoo.org Weblog: http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/leio --=-nMOg6pVa1nybM2xYHGKs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkoMKX4ACgkQkeYb6olFHJezSACgnNZ7ReiqULembvdTe3lns2LV d6IAn0QmUE5XFUaO9z9HAvHEnsPFrr5l =piuu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-nMOg6pVa1nybM2xYHGKs--