[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[Tiziano Müller]

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This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 4th
Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
irc.freenode.net) !

If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
list to see.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/

Following is the preliminary meeting agenda. It consists of two EAPI-3
related topics as well as two almost rusty topics where we should
finally make a decision to be able to move on.


EAPI 3: Short discussion of the progress
----------------------------------------

zmedico will provide an update on the progress of the implementation.
Short discussion of problems and implementation decisions if needed.


EAPI 3: PMS approval
--------------------

Goal: Approve EAPI-3 extension of the PMS. Any open questions should be
on the mailing list before the meeting.


GLEP 54: Dealing with live SCM packages
---------------------------------------

Goal: Since no consensus is reached or progress has been made voting
seems appropriate.


Handling EAPI versioning in a forwards-compatible way
-----------------------------------------------------

Goal: Since no consensus is reached vote on the implementation for the
problem solved in GLEP 55.


Handling static libraries more flexibly
---------------------------------------

Goal: Decision-making by consensus. 
Should we move forward with USE=static-libs to control 
building of static libraries? Should/Must this be an EAPI feature?


Define EAPI development/deployment cycles
-----------------------------------------

Goal: Start discussion about EAPI development/deployment. For example:
Collect problems of eapi introductions in the past, like reverting
ebuilds to former eapis to get them stable, not waiting for the pm
support a certain eapi before requesting stable keywords for ebuilds
using the new eapi, .... Collect problems of EAPI development like
feature-freeze, late feature removals (due to implementation problems).
Eventually develop a lightweight EAPI development model.


Cheers,
Tiziano

-- 
Tiziano Müller
Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member
Areas of responsibility:
  Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
E-Mail   : dev-zero@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2009.05.03 22:47, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 
> 4th
> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council 
> @
> irc.freenode.net) !
> 
>
[snip]

Tiziano,

The 7th is the first Thursday this month.  Has there been a change to 
the meeting dates ?

- -- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon) a member of
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[Tiziano Müller]

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Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 00:25 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford: 
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> On 2009.05.03 22:47, Tiziano Müller wrote:
> > This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 
> > 4th
> > Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council 
> > @
> > irc.freenode.net) !
> > 
> >
> [snip]
> 
> Tiziano,
> 
> The 7th is the first Thursday this month.  Has there been a change to 
> the meeting dates ?

We usually have the meeting every two weeks, so the next meeting would
be the next Thursday. Unless someone has objections I'd propose to hold
the meeting then.
I guess I have to change the template a little :)

-- 
Tiziano Müller
Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member
Areas of responsibility:
  Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
E-Mail   : dev-zero@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[Petteri Räty]

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Tiziano Müller wrote:
> Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 00:25 +0100 schrieb Roy Bamford: 
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>> On 2009.05.03 22:47, Tiziano Müller wrote:
>>> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 
>>> 4th
>>> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council 
>>> @
>>> irc.freenode.net) !
>>>
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Tiziano,
>>
>> The 7th is the first Thursday this month.  Has there been a change to 
>> the meeting dates ?
> 
> We usually have the meeting every two weeks, so the next meeting would
> be the next Thursday. Unless someone has objections I'd propose to hold
> the meeting then.
> I guess I have to change the template a little :)
> 

Isn't it second and fourth Thursday?

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[Thomas Anderson]

On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 02:06:47PM +0300, Petteri R??ty wrote:
> Isn't it second and fourth Thursday?
> 
> Regards,
> Petteri
> 

That's an oversimplification. That varies because of when we have some
holidays and skip meetings, throughing the schedule off. It's easiest to
remember it as every other thursday.


Thomas


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Thomas Anderson
Gentoo Developer
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Areas of responsibility:
AMD64, Secretary to the Gentoo Council
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 08:34 Mon 04 May     , Thomas Anderson wrote:
> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 02:06:47PM +0300, Petteri R??ty wrote:
> > Isn't it second and fourth Thursday?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Petteri
> > 
> 
> That's an oversimplification. That varies because of when we have some
> holidays and skip meetings, throughing the schedule off. It's easiest to
> remember it as every other thursday.

As a rule, it is the 2nd and 4th Thursday of each month. This is 
announced in every meeting email.

Of course there are occasional exceptions, but they are exceptions and 
not the rule. I don't see why this would be one because I haven't heard 
anything about next week being bad.

--
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Developer, Gentoo Linux
Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 14

[Tiziano Müller]

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Am Montag, den 04.05.2009, 07:50 -0700 schrieb Donnie Berkholz:
> On 08:34 Mon 04 May     , Thomas Anderson wrote:
> > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 02:06:47PM +0300, Petteri R??ty wrote:
> > > Isn't it second and fourth Thursday?
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Petteri
> > > 
> > 
> > That's an oversimplification. That varies because of when we have some
> > holidays and skip meetings, throughing the schedule off. It's easiest to
> > remember it as every other thursday.
> 
> As a rule, it is the 2nd and 4th Thursday of each month. This is 
> announced in every meeting email.
> 
> Of course there are occasional exceptions, but they are exceptions and 
> not the rule. I don't see why this would be one because I haven't heard 
> anything about next week being bad.

Well then, let it be May 14 and consider this an early agenda post :)


-- 
Tiziano Müller
Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member
Areas of responsibility:
  Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
E-Mail   : dev-zero@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 7

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2009.05.04 10:20, Tiziano Müller wrote:
[snip]
> 
> We usually have the meeting every two weeks, so the next meeting 
> would
> be the next Thursday. Unless someone has objections I'd propose to
> hold
> the meeting then.
> I guess I have to change the template a little :)
> 
> -- 
> Tiziano Müller
> Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member
> Areas of responsibility:
>   Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
> E-Mail   : dev-zero@gentoo.org
> GnuPG FP : F327 283A E769 2E36 18D5  4DE2 1B05 6A63 AE9C 1E30
> 
Tiziano,

Every two weeks works 12 weeks out of 13 because months run in a 4,4,5 
week cycle. That is, once every three months, there is three weeks 
between meetings.
Is the council changing from meeting on the second and fourth Thursdays 
of the month to meetings every two weeks?
The two are not quite the same. 

- -- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(NeddySeagoon) a member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
treecleaners
trustees
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 14

[Tiziano Müller]

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Updated meeting agenda can be found here:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~dev-zero/council/meeting-agenda-20090514.txt

Changes:
- Added the issue of removing old eclasses to the list.

Cheers,
Tiziano

Am Sonntag, den 03.05.2009, 23:47 +0200 schrieb Tiziano Müller:
> This is your friendly reminder! Same bat time (typically the 2nd & 4th
> Thursdays at 2000 UTC / 1600 EST), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @
> irc.freenode.net) !
> 
> If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote
> on, let us know! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev
> list to see.
> 
> For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/
> 
> Following is the preliminary meeting agenda. It consists of two EAPI-3
> related topics as well as two almost rusty topics where we should
> finally make a decision to be able to move on.
> 
> 
> EAPI 3: Short discussion of the progress
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> zmedico will provide an update on the progress of the implementation.
> Short discussion of problems and implementation decisions if needed.
> 
> 
> EAPI 3: PMS approval
> --------------------
> 
> Goal: Approve EAPI-3 extension of the PMS. Any open questions should be
> on the mailing list before the meeting.
> 
> 
> GLEP 54: Dealing with live SCM packages
> ---------------------------------------
> 
> Goal: Since no consensus is reached or progress has been made voting
> seems appropriate.
> 
> 
> Handling EAPI versioning in a forwards-compatible way
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Goal: Since no consensus is reached vote on the implementation for the
> problem solved in GLEP 55.
> 
> 
> Handling static libraries more flexibly
> ---------------------------------------
> 
> Goal: Decision-making by consensus. 
> Should we move forward with USE=static-libs to control 
> building of static libraries? Should/Must this be an EAPI feature?
> 
> 
> Define EAPI development/deployment cycles
> -----------------------------------------
> 
> Goal: Start discussion about EAPI development/deployment. For example:
> Collect problems of eapi introductions in the past, like reverting
> ebuilds to former eapis to get them stable, not waiting for the pm
> support a certain eapi before requesting stable keywords for ebuilds
> using the new eapi, .... Collect problems of EAPI development like
> feature-freeze, late feature removals (due to implementation problems).
> Eventually develop a lightweight EAPI development model.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Tiziano

-- 
Tiziano Müller
Gentoo Linux Developer, Council Member
Areas of responsibility:
  Samba, PostgreSQL, CPP, Python, sysadmin, GLEP Editor
E-Mail   : dev-zero@gentoo.org
GnuPG FP : F327 283A E769 2E36 18D5  4DE2 1B05 6A63 AE9C 1E30

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