From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M0jxw-0002vf-JK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 22:15:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7E65E0882; Sun, 3 May 2009 21:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tweli.aber.ac.uk (tweli.aber.ac.uk [144.124.16.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FB5E0882; Sun, 3 May 2009 21:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from penblp1pfw8.penb.aber.ac.uk ([144.124.140.73]) by tweli.aber.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M0jCa-0002Sj-CX; Sun, 03 May 2009 22:26:24 +0100 Subject: [gentoo-dev] Retiring From: Peter Faraday Weller To: gentoo-core@lists.gentoo.org Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Gentoo Foundation Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 22:26:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1241385973.4028.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.5 (2.24.5-1.fc10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UWA-Mid: 1M0jCa-0002Sj-CX X-UWA-Originating-IP: 144.124.140.73 X-UWA-Sophos-Scanned: from welp@gentoo.org virus scanned OK X-Archives-Salt: c6fb6e8d-3d42-4c4a-9d68-ff07f720560e X-Archives-Hash: 932004848f12fdd26836cdd48375edcc Hi, I've enjoyed my time with Gentoo, mostly... But these days I've just got too demotivated to work on it. I might have stayed if Ken69267 posted me some Lifesavers, but he didn't. :( On a more serious note, the problem seems to be the complete lack of management in the required places, Gentoo is fast becoming (or more likely, already is) an anarchic organisation, where it's becoming nigh-on impossible to keep track of things. I see a number of issues with Gentoo these days. The lack of a proper leadership body. Lack of people working together in unison. The tree needs to be sorted out: we have >16000 packages, and 200-250 developers, not all of which are ebuild developers) - We're still using CVS, we do *not* have the manpower to keep all the packages updated properly using a centralised VCS. If these issues were fixed, I don't know/care how they do get fixed, but if they were, I might consider coming back. If you *really* want me to stay/not retire, and attempt to help fix these issues, then I guess I can do so if enough people request that of me. But I will do so purely in a "managerial" position, and will do no ebuild or other such development. I'll still hang around in various channels and so on and so forth. Whatever happens, I do apparently maintain a few misc packages, most of which are low maintenance. Various herds will now need a new lead (apologies guys), so that will have to be arranged as well. You will also need to find another slacker to replace me ;) If there isn't a mass revolt against my retirement, so long, and thanks for all the fish! Otherwise... We'll see. Thanks, welp