From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A084E158041 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7E0AE2A57; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.17.11]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (prime256v1) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4777CE2A35 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:40:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1709059220; x=1709664020; i=peter.bo@web.de; bh=QP3ecCcEWVj65ZE5jlElWYZRWzAm0pFCDXYi43+PxDQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=Un7sL74mFTh+3W7a66LQA+RN4Tvdvzi+QWcKEo6oeuhEfUs4EDcF9Ij8jjFQX0Iu g+Xf2jrs6WjUaL4EDBrDIi21ampdq0KidzTm9RJFS3Qt6p3kl9IQ3zSrwgDN+7aE4 9COgiBy8ZcGrwECSfVb83MlufGWeNiMWT91AYr2ZPz+w1kfb4yTa6XITci+7CDQ3m YJuSLeThYUrfzQOlpnfHbrtm634YoRf80ZZrXT4PWu2fChqQCt0pMd06fuzSJgGtU UAUkEi5mA7bziHW4+Kyo5vn5T2TK9x5xvTTZB2/jdrdi6hewkIDTKsjgj9SKk2vTi DjbvsLIsNiT1NglXnA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Received: from sun.localnet ([93.238.4.73]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mkmvd-1rB9oZ2WkR-00lys4; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:40:20 +0100 From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=F6hm?= To: =?utf-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBHw7Nybnk=?= , Roy Bamford , gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 19:40:19 +0100 Message-ID: <12387499.O9o76ZdvQC@sun> In-Reply-To: References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:81cMtD0F26UKdvDFxsBMaxGBKE9KzpNAdXUgYQ932kekuwHdGE2 CCJJZAHXPhe6PYN++Pa3WE1NENnda9nC7Xj9MsIGu/EyXxCbApd4UxXiSvSN0i6aC4s65JO 7NHMvVFNJXRys8pibQXfBts6vx+g0eGJ3CPoMkqrYjpPvgLIoStD/6Y7WWmWQJy4oyxnpyY Si/VdroRwG084F63oHgsw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:0M69g1iBvtU=;JiRFV2oGq93+VcEWNY0mZ6EjWh9 ZGqFY0o6AHOYkS3vYS27YH7EGOdeQyAPwFZvj/oWuTAX1D4A2haSurIyf5zP3lVtczppUXWGV HjOyGrSYJ/48bxIJFD/59DthDFNl+qZRWxe0RAd5pDpnd16HDGBz+ENIxNnCL9XK7zz2WnMOD wWsyGOgcWlyZrJeSsrawWRpYZbWAFP2Gop5NtQPdOXR1nbi+2wahftm22k7fbcbkmtWSnRquV uVzAIwJf1ibfnvUy/D0UVyRE+M3V3v3PBtrCjWF7ZmGsLXkUuqvne57Vi6ySXQVPUjzmHXHt6 I1313ESZ8vLKEybuq76BblrZ80ZBgcEGYP2WRSuK6UvZgIZjW0WdcISFfsgIf3+D5rPPYfV9Y uYUjHShctla/09nbeG6UUlVEvqLFy/HurjzwNTTs+B2842QH2q7ZG1jGY4RNy7iqYoL0Ziv5S Y/O3kK2mpmwzLlvEfET/82pQkMBmuhiq7rngo6cPDQRy47c6cdArTrpBi6Dv0JLkGB/AzWQlq zdLk4Rv9ahpHE7bxGSI0gKQdoAIIWqqd9a/8wRFlOna5qhHjOLNh+9h4hZ4eZrPWBnxtDdKuA OAmUuTMBBX2pM8OvoKgVj09RkitK9dkRbEI1zyPV5lRv84pUhZhqw9Aqlqtv/+SMIl9mNXyip lucWDK7jNlzR4nc6xkPzaQi/8apepiacLPrtsF7sCBUXiFvv3ZC6EYwPMl4Salp8w3QAML163 Zem59zwC18fYOOow8TBIqQm2dvh08qAn7jKm9c0CENfLb2FJ/c0ntO+dNUFXpEyIWlEK+3w82 gz6L8KQjXonBG9nzIUp5hM6bgSiaM2HW7yZN7WR8l9T64= X-Archives-Salt: 2879e846-67b8-46b1-8d5d-4ddd4baf0084 X-Archives-Hash: 70c058ed7dd2d65b6c1112ca45c8d882 Am Dienstag, 27. Februar 2024, 18:50:15 CET schrieb Roy Bamford: > On 2024.02.27 14:45, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > > Hello, > >=20 > > [...] > >=20 > > Gentoo has always stood out as something different, something that > > worked for people for whom mainstream distros were lacking. I think > > adding "made by real people" to the list of our advantages would be > > a good thing =E2=80=94 but we need to have policies in place, to make s= ure > > shit > > doesn't flow in. > >=20 > > Compare with the shitstorm at: > > https://github.com/pkgxdev/pantry/issues/5358 >=20 > Micha=C5=82, >=20 > An excellent piece of prose setting out the rationale. > I fully support it. I would like to add the following: Last year we had a chatbot in our Gentoo forum that posted 76 posts on=20 2024-12-19. An inexperienced moderator (me) then asked his colleagues on th= e=20 basis of which forum rules we can ban this chatbot: "Do we have a rule somewhere that an AI and a chatbot are not allowed to lo= g=20 in? I have read our Guide=C4=BAines ( https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t= =2D525.html ) and found no such prohibition. On what basis could we even bl= ock=20 a chatbot ?" The answer from two experienced colleagues was that this is already covered= by=20 our forum rules, because chatbots usually cannot (yet) fulfill the requirem= ents=20 of a forum post and therefore violate our Guide=C4=BAines. To be honest, I asked myself at the time what would happen if we had a clea= rly=20 recognizable AI as a user that made (reasonably) sensible posts. We would t= hen=20 have no chance of banning this AI user without an explicit prohibition. I=20 would be much more comfortable if we clearly communicated that we do not=20 accept an AI as a user. Yes, I would also be very happy to see this proposal implemented. =2D-=20 Best regards, Peter (aka pietinger)