[gentoo-dev] midnight commander -> which screen library

[gentoo-dev] midnight commander -> which screen library

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi folks,


@mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.

What do you suggest, which screen library to keep ? 

BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)


cu

[1] http://www.midnight-commander.org/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] midnight commander -> which screen library

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 30 January 2009 08:42:24 Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> @mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
> Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
> Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.

considering ncurses is available on every distro by default, it's kind of a no 
brainer.  no one includes slang out of the box.
-mike

[gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> 
> @mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
> Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
> Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.
> 
> What do you suggest, which screen library to keep ? 
> 
> BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)

  unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
  !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )

If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode 
support would be... not good.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Mike Frysinger]

On Monday 09 February 2009 13:32:24 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > @mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
> > Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
> > Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.
> >
> > What do you suggest, which screen library to keep ?
> >
> > BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)
>
>   unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
>   !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
>
> If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode
> support would be... not good.

that doesnt make any sense.  both ncurses and slang work just fine with and 
without unicode.  i dont think he was asking about Gentoo anyways ... he was 
asking about upstream mc.

the proper string under Gentoo would be:
ncurses? (
	unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode] )
	!unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
)
!ncurses? ( slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 ) )
-mike

[gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday 09 February 2009 13:32:24 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)
>>   unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
>>   !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
>>
>> If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode
>> support would be... not good.
> 
> that doesnt make any sense.  both ncurses and slang work just fine with and 
> without unicode.

MC doesn't.  A patch adds Unicode to MC.  It's for slang only.

Anyway, I just saw that there's a new patch listed in MC's homepage that 
seems to add Unicode.  I suppose Gentoo will switch to that and drop the 
current slang patch.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Monday 09 February 2009 15:36:00 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Monday 09 February 2009 13:32:24 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>> BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)
> >>
> >>   unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
> >>   !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> >>
> >> If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode
> >> support would be... not good.
> >
> > that doesnt make any sense.  both ncurses and slang work just fine with
> > and without unicode.
>
> MC doesn't.  A patch adds Unicode to MC.  It's for slang only.

that's a MC deficiency, not a terminal library one.  i wasnt talking about MC 
itself (perhaps you were, but you didnt really make that clear).
-mike

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[gentoo-dev] Can't format floppy or write to it...

[Branko Badrljica]

I needed to make bootable floppy for graphic card BIOS reflash and 
noticed that I can't fdformat floppy or even write to formatted one.

I can mount it -o rw, but when I try to write, write would fail.

Also, "fdformat /dev/fd0" seems to be working, but just to the 
point,where it verifies written and fails on track 0.

I have checked:

- floppies for write protection ( it was off )
- for dirt on heads- I have cleaned floppy thoroughly
- bad unit. Exchanged it with another, with exactly same result.
- bad floppy disk. Tried a few other, with same result. Same disks 
formatted on another Windoze machine just fine.
- bad access flags on /dev/fd0. (" Access: (0660/brw-rw----) Uid: ( 0/ 
root) Gid: ( 11/ floppy)" )

Here is output of "fdformat /dev/fd0":

 >LANG="en" fdformat /dev/fd0

 >Double-sided, 80 tracks, 18 sec/track. Total capacity 1440 kB.
 >Formatting ... done
 >Verifying ... Problem reading cylinder 1, expected 18432, read 2048


and here is dmesg | tail:

>
> Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 32
> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 288
> Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 36
> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 308
> Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 38
> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 333
> Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 41
> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 45
> Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 5

Machine:
Phenom 9950
Boartd Foxconn A7DA-S
8 Gig RAM.
nVidia 8800GT with 1GiG RAM DDR3
DVD+ RW unit
floppy
2x 500 Gb HDD SATA

Gentoo 64-bit ( 2008.0-desktop profile )
pretty much latest version of everything
kernel gentoo-sources-2.6.28-r1


Has anyone noticed anything remotely similar ?
I can recall being able to use floppy normally with older 2.6.27 
kernels, but can't try this now...


Regards,

Branko

Re: [gentoo-dev] Can't format floppy or write to it...

[Josh Saddler]

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This is not the right place to ask.

Ask on either:

1. Gentoo forums: http://forums.gentoo.org
2. Gentoo user mailing list: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Can't format floppy or write to it...

[Mike Frysinger]

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in addition to the points Josh made, please do not hijack threads
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Petteri Räty]

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Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday 09 February 2009 13:32:24 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>>> @mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
>>> Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
>>> Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.
>>>
>>> What do you suggest, which screen library to keep ?
>>>
>>> BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)
>>   unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
>>   !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
>>
>> If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode
>> support would be... not good.
> 
> that doesnt make any sense.  both ncurses and slang work just fine with and 
> without unicode.  i dont think he was asking about Gentoo anyways ... he was 
> asking about upstream mc.
> 
> the proper string under Gentoo would be:
> ncurses? (
> 	unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode] )
> 	!unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> )
> !ncurses? ( slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 ) )
> -mike
> 

ncurses? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )
!ncurses? ( slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 ) )

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Monday 09 February 2009 19:02:34 Petteri Räty wrote:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Monday 09 February 2009 13:32:24 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> >>> @mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
> >>> Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
> >>> Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.
> >>>
> >>> What do you suggest, which screen library to keep ?
> >>>
> >>> BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)
> >>
> >>   unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
> >>   !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> >>
> >> If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode
> >> support would be... not good.
> >
> > that doesnt make any sense.  both ncurses and slang work just fine with
> > and without unicode.  i dont think he was asking about Gentoo anyways ...
> > he was asking about upstream mc.
> >
> > the proper string under Gentoo would be:
> > ncurses? (
> > 	unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode] )
> > 	!unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> > )
>
> ncurses? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )

thanks, i figured there was an easier answer
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Tiziano Müller]

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Am Dienstag, den 10.02.2009, 02:02 +0200 schrieb Petteri Räty:
> Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Monday 09 February 2009 13:32:24 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> >>> @mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
> >>> Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
> >>> Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.
> >>>
> >>> What do you suggest, which screen library to keep ?
> >>>
> >>> BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)
> >>   unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
> >>   !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> >>
> >> If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode
> >> support would be... not good.
> > 
> > that doesnt make any sense.  both ncurses and slang work just fine with and 
> > without unicode.  i dont think he was asking about Gentoo anyways ... he was 
> > asking about upstream mc.
> > 
> > the proper string under Gentoo would be:
> > ncurses? (
> > 	unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode] )
> > 	!unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> > )
> > !ncurses? ( slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 ) )
> > -mike
> > 
> 
> ncurses? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )
> !ncurses? ( slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 ) )

Since you want always one of {slang,ncurses} you'll probably want
something like this:

slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
!slang? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )

and drop the ncurses USE-flag completely. Or set USE="+ncurses" and do
this:
ncurses? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )
!ncurses? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )

... depends on what you want per default.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: midnight commander -> which screen library

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Tuesday 10 February 2009 03:26:34 Tiziano Müller wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 10.02.2009, 02:02 +0200 schrieb Petteri Räty:
> > Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On Monday 09 February 2009 13:32:24 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > >> Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > >>> @mc.o (*1) we're currently discussing which screen library to keep.
> > >>> Either ncurses or slang will be dropped (bundled slang will anyway)
> > >>> Both have their pros and cons, so we haven't decided yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> What do you suggest, which screen library to keep ?
> > >>>
> > >>> BTW: 4.6.2 is soon coming (only 1 bug left) :)
> > >>
> > >>   unicode? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
> > >>   !unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> > >>
> > >> If Unicode isn't possible with ncurses, keep slang :P  No Unicode
> > >> support would be... not good.
> > >
> > > that doesnt make any sense.  both ncurses and slang work just fine with
> > > and without unicode.  i dont think he was asking about Gentoo anyways
> > > ... he was asking about upstream mc.
> > >
> > > the proper string under Gentoo would be:
> > > ncurses? (
> > > 	unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode] )
> > > 	!unicode? ( sys-libs/ncurses )
> > > )
> > > !ncurses? ( slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 ) )
> > > -mike
> >
> > ncurses? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )
> > !ncurses? ( slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 ) )
>
> Since you want always one of {slang,ncurses} you'll probably want
> something like this:
>
> slang? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
> !slang? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )
>
> and drop the ncurses USE-flag completely. Or set USE="+ncurses" and do
> this:
> ncurses? ( sys-libs/ncurses[unicode?] )
> !ncurses? ( >=sys-libs/slang-2.1.3 )
>
> ... depends on what you want per default.

pfft, real men dont need terminal libraries ;)
-mike

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