From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L9ngc-0000BQ-Nh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:30:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A125E07DB; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63565E07DB for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.213] (unknown [74.92.132.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9099F649E1; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] app-admin/eselect needs YOUR help From: Ferris McCormick To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <49398A33.2070203@gentoo.org> <20081207144633.3d233dc8@snowcone> <20081208163742.GA2455@comet> <200812081849.14279.wk@mailstation.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-I/4GxZCB2AH+RWS4b5J9" Organization: Gentoo developer Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:30:34 +0000 Message-Id: <1228771834.6035.571.camel@liasis.inforead.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 X-Archives-Salt: c381ddff-0e9d-4b92-bcbe-c3bea9da7220 X-Archives-Hash: f4281f594cae1a990ffab71dc5fce9d6 --=-I/4GxZCB2AH+RWS4b5J9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:56 -0800, Alec Warner wrote: > On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote= : > > On Monday, 08. December 2008 17:37:42 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > >> Open and public debate about the right way to do things does take > >> longer, and it's something you certainly participate in quite > >> frequently so I'm surprised to hear you badmouth it when it comes to > >> your own ideas. > > > > It's not about Ciaran's (or anyone's ideas). We openly and publicly dis= cuss > > such things in Exherbo, too. Not endlessly, though, but we get to an ac= tual > > decision in a much shorter timeframe. > > > > Of course, Ciaran plays along the Gentoo way of either discussing thing= s > > till a) people are sufficiently annoyed about the length of the thread = to > > stop reading it at all (the normal procedure), b) the council decides t= o > > postpone the decision to the next meeting during which it gets postpone= d to > > the next meeting (and so on) or c) it's being decided that it's not nee= ded > > (only to discover half a year later that an issue has to be worked arou= nd > > again because the real solution was treated in the way of a) or b)). :-= ) > > > > So this is not badmouthing but dealing with the facts of Gentoo. >=20 > s/Gentoo/Any 'large' organization with little or no management/ >=20 > it turns out this is a problem in a number of other organizations; > hopefully Gentoo will get better at addressing them. >=20 > -Alec >=20 Interesting (and valid) point. Perhaps this argues for more (or more active) mamagement. > > > > Best regards, Wulf >=20 Regards, Ferris --=20 Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Userrel, Trustees) --=-I/4GxZCB2AH+RWS4b5J9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkk9kfoACgkQQa6M3+I///ctNQCePpWJLaPqR/aK9juj42i3YNPm 7gwAn0X9q7CvsMBmw6f5LZXAFz0UkEh5 =2ubz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-I/4GxZCB2AH+RWS4b5J9--